Gravitational waves predicted by Einstein

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the implications of detecting gravitational waves as predicted by Einstein's theory of general relativity. Participants explore whether the detection of these waves would confirm or challenge the theory, as well as the current state of evidence for gravitational waves.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification, Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assertion that finding gravitational waves would necessitate a revision of general relativity, suggesting that their existence would actually confirm the theory.
  • Another participant proposes that if gravitational waves are not detected by LIGO, it may indicate a need to reconsider aspects of general relativity.
  • A different participant notes that while gravitational waves have been indirectly confirmed through observations of binary pulsars, direct detection remains unachieved, and emphasizes that the implications of direct detection are uncertain.
  • One participant speculates that if gravitational waves exist, they could either support general relativity or lead to a new quantum description of gravity, depending on their characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of detecting gravitational waves, with some asserting that detection would confirm general relativity, while others suggest it could challenge the theory. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the consequences of detection or nondetection.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the frequency of gravitational wave events and their radiation efficiency, which complicate the interpretation of detection results. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding of general relativity among participants.

BruceW
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I've read a newspaper article which claims: "If the search for gravitational waves succeeds, then Einstein's theory of general relativity may have to be revised"
But I thought that Einstein predicted gravitational waves, so surely if they are found, it would confirm general relativity.
I don't know much about general relativity, so I thought I'd ask here to see if the article is right or not.
 
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I think it should be reversed. If LIGO still doesn't find gravity waves, then maybe something has to be done.
 
Gravitational waves have already been indirectly shown to exist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_B1913+16 , and the rate of radiation matches up perfectly with general relativity's prediction. Nobody has any doubt that they exist. They are required to exist according to GR, so the title of the article does seem backward.

What nobody has done yet is to detect gravitational waves directly. If they are detected directly, the main reason it would be exciting is that it would open up a new window on astronomy, allowing us to look at the results of extremely energetic processes like mergers of black holes. AFAIK, predictions of the frequency with which a device like LIGO would detect such events are extremely uncertain, since we don't know how common such exotic events are, and there may also be some uncertainty about how efficiently they radiate gravitational waves. For this reason, the detection or nondetection of gravitational waves directly is not, AFAIK, proposed as a test of GR.
 
it can be true what u said...means...garvitational waves if exist could contradict the general theory of relativity...on the other hand if these waves just show charecteristics such as other waves does...we can bring out some quantum description of gravity...
 

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