Gravitational Waves Vs. Aether Wind

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the comparison between the Michelson-Morley Experiment, which tested for 'Aether Wind', and modern gravitational-wave observatories like LIGO. Participants explore the implications of the experimental setups and the nature of the signals detected, questioning how the historical context of the experiments relates to contemporary understandings of physics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the similarity in experimental setups between the Michelson-Morley Experiment and gravitational-wave observatories, questioning how the success of the former is interpreted in light of current theories.
  • Another participant asserts that the signals produced by LIGO are fundamentally different from those expected from an aether wind, suggesting that the fluctuations observed cannot be explained by the aether concept.
  • A further contribution explains the differences in the design of the Michelson-Morley interferometer and LIGO, emphasizing that LIGO's mirrors are not fixed to the frame but are attached to test masses that can move freely, which is crucial for detecting gravitational waves.
  • Additional details are provided regarding the suspension system of advanced LIGO, mentioning the complexity of isolating test masses from environmental influences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the Michelson-Morley Experiment for modern physics, with some questioning its relevance to current theories while others defend the distinct nature of signals detected by LIGO. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between historical and contemporary interpretations of these experiments.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the differences in experimental design and signal detection but do not reach a consensus on the implications of these differences for the existence of aether or the verification of Einstein's theories. There are also references to specific technical details that may not be fully understood or agreed upon.

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The Michelson-Morley Experiment (as depicted in the scishow YouTube video "The Greatest Failed Experiment Ever") which was used to test for the effects of 'Aether Wind' appears to be almost, if not completely, the same setup as the one used in a gravitational-wave observatory. Why is the success of the experiment now used as evidence for something very different from what it would have, so long ago, proven a completely different theory? How can we be sure that this doesn't just mean that there is an aether but our tools were incapable of measuring it back then, instead of verifying Einstein's theories?

For reference, this is the video describing The Michelson-Morley Experiment:
 
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The signals are completely different.
 
ScientificMind said:
appears to be almost, if not completely, the same setup
That's because interferometers are the most accurate way of measuring both small changes in speed and small changes in distance. Thus, you shouldn't be surprised to find them in experiments that depend on either kind of measurement.

But as Orodruin says, the type of signal is completely different. There's no way that the fluctuations observed by LIGO could be explained by an ether wind.
 
ScientificMind said:
The Michelson-Morley Experiment (as depicted in the scishow YouTube video "The Greatest Failed Experiment Ever") which was used to test for the effects of 'Aether Wind' appears to be almost, if not completely, the same setup as the one used in a gravitational-wave observatory. Why is the success of the experiment now used as evidence for something very different from what it would have, so long ago, proven a completely different theory? How can we be sure that this doesn't just mean that there is an aether but our tools were incapable of measuring it back then, instead of verifying Einstein's theories?

The Michelson Morely inteferometer was designed to keep the distance between the mirrors in its arms constant. The mirrors were not allowed to move relative to the rigid frame of the interferometer, but rigidly attached to the rigid frame. . The mirrors on the Ligo interferometer are not attached to the frame. They're attached to test masses, which are levitated suspended to support the mirrors against Earth's gravity, but are otherwise free to "slide around". One of the challenges of the design is to isolate the test masses so that other environmental influences other than gravity waves cause as little motion as possible.

There are no test masses in the Michelson morely interferometer - the mirrors are attached to the frame of the interferometer directly.

[add]There are some details on the final stage of the suspension system for advanced ligo (aLigo) at https://www.advancedligo.mit.edu/sus.html. Basically, there is a multiple-pendulum system (three to four pendulums). There is some sort of possible active "sesmic isolation system" [SEI] in addition - the pendulums are hung from the sesmic isolation system. I haven't found any details on the SEI though..
 
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