Gravity as a distorion of space-time

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The discussion revolves around the concept of gravity as a distortion of space-time, particularly in relation to Einstein's theory of general relativity. Participants explore how this model can explain experiences of gravity on Earth compared to the Moon and in space, raising questions about the nature of gravitational forces and the perception of weight in different gravitational fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the traditional view of gravity as a pulling force, seeking clarification on how Einstein's model applies to experiences on Earth and the Moon.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that one cannot walk on the Moon, referencing evidence of astronauts walking there.
  • Some participants express confusion about the nature of gravity, with one mentioning a video by Michio Kaku that suggests gravity is a pushing force rather than a pulling one.
  • A participant explains that, according to general relativity, space-time is curved by mass, and objects move along these curves, which leads to the sensation of gravitational force when standing on a massive body like Earth.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of assuming a two-dimensional flat space-time and how that relates to the direction of gravitational pull towards the center of Earth.
  • One participant requests corrections to their understanding, indicating uncertainty about the explanation of gravitational effects.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of gravity and its explanation through Einstein's theory, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of gravitational forces or the implications of space-time curvature.

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Some participants' claims depend on specific interpretations of general relativity, and there are unresolved questions regarding the dimensionality of space-time and the nature of gravitational force.

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Hello,

We were taught at school that gravity is a pulling force between two objects related to their masses and the distance between them. Based on this, it seemed reasonable why we can walk on Earth while on space or on the moon we cannot.

But then I came to the Einstein's theory of gravity as masses distort the space-time fabric. How can we explain what I mentioned earlier using this model?

Thanks
 
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S_David said:
why we can walk on Earth while on space or on the moon we cannot.

Hoe did you come to that conclusion ??
have you not see the 100's of photos and videos of men walking and driving on the moon ?Dave
 
S_David said:
Based on this, it seemed reasonable why we can walk on Earth while on space or on the moon we cannot.
Why cannot people walk on the moon?
 
Walking as on Earth where your next position relative to the current one is one foot away not like 5 or 10 feet. Walking not jumping. Anyway, I appreciate if someone simplifies the answer to me in English because I am not a physicist, and this question has been in my mind for a while now. I watched a YouTube video for Michio Kaku saying that gravity pushing us down not the Earth pulling us down. How is that?
 
S_David said:
Walking as on Earth where your next position relative to the current one is one foot away not like 5 or 10 feet. Walking not jumping. Anyway, I appreciate if someone simplifies the answer to me in English because I am not a physicist, and this question has been in my mind for a while now. I watched a YouTube video for Michio Kaku saying that gravity pushing us down not the Earth pulling us down. How is that?
I guess you're trying to understand why astronauts feel 'lighter' on the moon when compared to the Earth, right?

What Einstein's general theory of relativity says is that spacetime (together) becomes (intrinsically) curved (not "distorted) in the presence of energy/mass. You can think of it as someone standing on a trampoline. All other (less massive) objects naturally move along these 'depressions' (the technical word for a free-falling path is a geodesic) or curves until they hit the object that is creating the most curvature (of course, the infalling objects also create cause some curvature, but the motion of the massive body along these "light curves" is negligible). So when you're standing on the Earth, the surface is preventing your body from moving along the curves to the center of the Earth, and so you feel a 'force'. If nothing stopped you, you would feel no force as you move towards the gravitating object. The moon is less massive than the Earth, and hence curves spacetime by a smaller amount. Therefore, the moon's surface exerts a lower force on you when it prevents you from moving toward it's center of mass.
 
PWiz said:
I guess you're trying to understand why astronauts feel 'lighter' on the moon when compared to the Earth, right?

What Einstein's general theory of relativity says is that spacetime (together) becomes (intrinsically) curved (not "distorted) in the presence of energy/mass. You can think of it as someone standing on a trampoline. All other (less massive) objects naturally move along these 'depressions' (the technical word for a free-falling path is a geodesic) or curves until they hit the object that is creating the most curvature (of course, the infalling objects also create cause some curvature, but the motion of the massive body along these "light curves" is negligible). So when you're standing on the Earth, the surface is preventing your body from moving along the curves to the center of the Earth, and so you feel a 'force'. If nothing stopped you, you would feel no force as you move towards the gravitating object. The moon is less massive than the Earth, and hence curves spacetime by a smaller amount. Therefore, the moon's surface exerts a lower force on you when it prevents you from moving toward it's center of mass.

Thanks for replying. My problem precisely is the following then: if we assume that space-time is two dimensional and flat, the Earth will curve it downward, right? as in a trampoline. This will make people on the upside Earth pulled down because of this curvature, (Please correct me if I am wrong), but how can we explain why people all over the Earth's Surface are pulled toward the center of Earth, and not toward the curved space?
 

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