Gravity at Centre of Earth: Infinite?

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational acceleration experienced by a point particle at the center of the Earth. Participants explore theoretical models, mathematical implications, and the physical interpretation of gravity in this context.

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  • One participant suggests that gravitational acceleration at the center of the Earth would be infinite based on the formula g = G*m1*m2/r^2, where r approaches zero.
  • Another participant counters that, under a simple model of a spherically symmetric Earth, the gravitational acceleration at the center is zero since only the mass within that distance contributes to g.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of gravitational acceleration being zero at the center and how it relates to the gravitational force experienced at different depths within the Earth.
  • One participant introduces a formula for gravitational acceleration within the Earth, stating that it decreases linearly to zero as one approaches the center, assuming constant density.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption of constant density, noting that the Earth's core is denser than the mantle and crust, suggesting a more complex model where gravitational acceleration remains roughly constant until the core/mantle boundary.
  • Some participants debate the mathematical interpretation of dividing by zero in the context of gravitational formulas, with differing views on whether it leads to infinity or is undefined.
  • One participant emphasizes that at the center of the Earth, gravitational forces from all directions cancel each other out, leading to zero net gravitational force.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of gravitational acceleration at the center of the Earth, with some asserting it is zero and others debating the implications of mathematical expressions involving division by zero. There is no consensus on the interpretation of gravitational behavior at this point.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of gravitational models, including assumptions about Earth's density and the mathematical validity of certain expressions at specific points. Participants acknowledge that simplified models may provide qualitative insights but may not accurately predict quantitative results.

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g = G*m1*m2/r^2
What will be the g faced by a point particle at the exactly centre of earth?
g= (6.67*10^-11*1*5.97*10^24)/0^2
g= Infinite ?
 
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No. Taking the simple model of a spherically symmetric earth, for any distance from the center only the mass within that distance contributes to g at that point. So at r = 0 (at the center of the earth) g = 0.
 
1. g at the surface g=GM/r^2, where M is the mass of the Earth, and r is the radius out to the surface.

2. g=0 at the Earth centre.

3. How to explain 1 and 2?
Without doing the maths, I merely state the reuslt:

At any given point within the Earth, the "local g"-value will only be affected by the mass of the ball with the Earth's center as its center, and upon which you are placed on the surface. The massive shell around contributes nothing at all!

4. Thus, for an ARBITRARY r-value, we substitute "M" in the formula with [itex]\rho\frac{4}{3}\pi{r}^{3}[/itex], where [itex]\rho[/itex] is the (constant) density, and you recognize in the other parts the volume for a sphere of radius r.

Inserting this into the formula, we gain the following expression for local g:
[tex]g=\frac{4}{3}G\rho\pi{r}[/itex], i.e, the local g decreases linearly to zero as we proceed towards r=0[/tex]
 
arildno said:
[tex]g=\frac{4}{3}G\rho\pi{r}[/tex]
Note well: arildno's result is predicated upon a constant density. The Earth's density is anything but constant. Most notably, the Earth's core is mostly iron and is considerably more dense than the rock that forms the mantle and crust. A more realistic model is that gravitational acceleration is roughly constant down to the core/mantle boundary and only proceeds to decrease toward zero with depth after crossing this boundary. In fact, gravitational acceleration is slightly greater at the core/mantle boundary than it is at the surface.
 
D H said:
Note well: arildno's result is predicated upon a constant density. The Earth's density is anything but constant. Most notably, the Earth's core is mostly iron and is considerably more dense than the rock that forms the mantle and crust. A more realistic model is that gravitational acceleration is roughly constant down to the core/mantle boundary and only proceeds to decrease toward zero with depth after crossing this boundary. In fact, gravitational acceleration is slightly greater at the core/mantle boundary than it is at the surface.

Indeed.

A simplified model, even to the point of being erronous, can, however, yield some important qualitative insights, even though it fails miserably in quantitive prediction.
 
If gravity at the center of the Earth was really infinite it would also mean gravity at the center of just about every thing was infinite. Unless there was a force stoping the infinite gravity from pulling the rest of the object into it... this wouldn't work.
 
In physics dividing by the denominator zero is often taken as infinity while actually it is a quantity that is not defined in mathematics. Infinity and "not defined" are two distinct things. So g is definitely not infinity at the centre of the earth.
 
First, this is a year old. Second, there is no dividing by zero involved. Third, the question has already been answered correctly in message #2.
 
1. Sorry I didn't check the dates.
2. Actually there is dividing by zero. force=GMm/r^2, and the asker asked what would happen when r=0. then GMm/r^2=GMm/(0)^2=GMm/0

I was not trying to give a solution to the problem I was trying to state that the assertion that GMm/0=infinity is false

3. As I said above, question had already been answered and I was not giving a solution.
 
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mishrashubham said:
1. Sorry I didn't check the dates.
2. Actually there is dividing by zero. force=GMm/r^2, and the asker asked what would happen when r=0. then GMm/r^2=GMm/(0)^2=GMm/0

There isn't! The expression being used is only valid for r>R, where R is the radius of the earth. For r<R, it is a completely different expression, so the issue of dividing by zero doesn't exist!

Zz.
 
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Without getting into math the best way to explain is that there is mass all around you pulling at you from every direction at the centre of the earth, and since the Earth is nearly symmetric the forces cancel each other out.

on the surface of the Earth all the mass is on one side and pull in one directions and hence u have max gravitational force

Actually because of the asymmetry of the earth, g is higher at the poles, this is because at the equator all the mass of Earth is a bit more spread out to both sides while at the poles they are closer together ( ie if you draw straight lines between you and every atom on the earth, the lines will be more closely spaced from the poles )
 

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