Acceleration due to gravity at the centre of a hemisphere

[AdityaDev]

Homework Statement

find the acceleration due to gravity at the centre of a solid hemisphere.

Homework Equations

$F=\frac{GMm}{r^2}$

The Attempt at a Solution

i decided to go for cylindrical coordinayes (which is way beyond my syllabus). I did some research though.
let me take a point P(r,θ,z) inside the sphere amd an elemental volume dV at P. This P exerts a force dF. But there is also a point Q(r,θ+180°,z) which cancells out the horizontal component of dF. let the line OP make an angle φ with the Z axis. (assuming the hemisphere lies on the xy plane with centre at O)
$dg=\frac{Gdm}{r^2+z^2}cos\phi$
$dg=\frac{G\rho dV}{{(r^2+z^2)}^{3/2}}$
now dV=dz.dr.rdθ
Is this expresion for dV true for all cases? how do you get that expression for dV?
(i found that expression on some video).
now i have to integrate the expression.
so $$g=\int_{\theta=0}^{2\pi}\int_{r=0}^R\int_{z=0}^?f(r,\theta,z)dz.dr.rd\theta$$
im finding it difficult to find upper limit for z.

 

[kontejnjer]

Why not use spherical coordinates (r,\theta,\varphi) instead? It's a lot easier to get the integration limits in that case.

 

[AdityaDev]

i will try. but what about the expression for dV in cylindrical coordinates and the upper limit for z?

 

[kontejnjer]

Well since the equation of a hemisphere is 0<x^2+y^2+z^2<R^2 with z>0, if you use the fact that x^2+y^2=r^2, you get 0<z<\sqrt{R^2-r^2} where r is a variable, and R is a constant (the radius). Also, the expression for dV is correct, and is only valid in cylindrical coordinates. For more general coordinates you need to calculate the Jacobian of transformation, here's a good start, see the "Examples" section.

 

[AdityaDev]

why is it dz.dr.rdθ? is it the volume of a small cylinder?

 

[kontejnjer]

Basically it's the volume of an infinitesimal cylindrical shell with mean radius r, thickness dr and height dz (think of a ring with a rectangular cross section).

 

[AdityaDev]

then its volume should be 2πr.dr.dz.

 

[TSny]

Cylindrical coordinates are fine. But, consider integrating over r first and then z. The upper limit of r will depend on z.

 

[TSny]

$dg=\frac{Gdm}{r^2+z^2}cos\phi$
$dg=\frac{G\rho dV}{{(r^2+z^2)}^{3/2}}$

I believe you left out something when substituting for $\cos \phi$. Not that your final expression for dg does not have the correct dimensions for acceleration.

 

[kontejnjer]

then its volume should be 2πr.dr.dz.

Ah yes, my apologies. Think of a chunk of a ring with the ring being cut along the diameter, from two infinitesimally close diameters. Then the volume element is dV=rdrd\theta dz. Basically the r term comes from the Jacobian, which is required in order for the volume element be invariant when performing a coordinate transform (x,y,z)\rightarrow(r,\theta,z), so dV=dxdydz\rightarrow dV'=|J|drd\theta dz=rdrd\theta dz.

 

[AdityaDev]

I believe you left out something when substituting for $\cos \phi$. Not that your final expression for dg does not have the correct dimensions for acceleration.

sorry. its a typo. i left out the term 'z' in the numerator.

 

[AdityaDev]

Ah yes, my apologies. Think of a chunk of a ring with the ring being cut along the diameter, from two infinitesimally close diameters. Then the volume element is dV=rdrd\theta dz.

Do you have picture of this? its difficult to visualize.

 

[AdityaDev]

is this the shape?

 

[AdityaDev]

@TSny and @kontejnjer so the limits for θ are 0 to 2π
for r its 0 to $\sqrt{R^2-z^2}$
for z its 0 to R.
So first by integrating with respect to θ, the cunk becomes a full ring. Then integrating with respect to r makes the ring a disc which is situated at z and then integrating with respect to z will make it a hemisphere since it keeps adding one disc over another with changing radius.

 

[AdityaDev]

I also got the correct answer.
$g=\pi G\rho R$

 

[Yalanhar]

I also got the correct answer.
$g=\pi G\rho R$

Can you help me? I got
$g=\pi G\rho R/3$

my calculus
$dg = \frac {G \rho cos\theta dV}{R^2}$

for spherical coordinate $$dV = r^2drsin\theta d\theta d\phi$$

so:
$dg=\frac {G\rho }{R^2} r^2dr sin\theta cos\theta d\theta d\phi$

$g=\frac {G\rho}{R^2} \int_0^R r^2 \, dr \int_0^\frac {\pi}{2} sin\theta cos\theta \, d\theta \int_0^{2\pi} \, d\phi$

$g = \frac {G\rho}{R^2} \cdot \frac{R^3}{3} \cdot \frac {1}{2} \cdot 2\pi$

$g = \frac {G\rho R\pi}{3}$

$g=\frac {\pi G\rho R}{3}$

 

[SammyS]

Can you help me? I got
$g=\pi G\rho R/3$

my calculus
$dg = \frac {G \rho \cos\theta dV}{R^2}$

That should be $r^2$, not $R^2$.

for spherical coordinates
$dV = r^2dr\sin\theta d\theta d\phi$

so:
$dg=\frac {G\rho }{R^2} r^2dr \sin\theta \cos\theta d\theta d\phi$

That gives you:

$dg=\dfrac {G\rho }{r^2} r^2dr \sin\theta \cos\theta d\theta d\phi$