Gravity: Constant on Earth? | Is It Divisible?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of gravity, particularly in the context of dividing the Earth into sections and the implications of a star's death on gravitational forces. Participants explore concepts from Newtonian gravity and general relativity, touching on theoretical scenarios and the properties of mass and gravitational pull.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the Earth were divided into four sections far enough apart, the gravitational force on each section would be 25% of the current gravity, based on Newton's law of universal gravitation.
  • Others argue that this would not necessarily apply to surface gravity, suggesting that the relationship may not be as straightforward as g/4.
  • A question is raised about whether the amount of star dust excreted from a dying star equals the gravitational force of the original star, which some participants find unclear.
  • One participant notes that when a star dies, it extracts heavier elements, questioning if the total mass of these elements and their gravitational force equals the original star's gravity.
  • Another participant clarifies that gravity is a function of mass and stress-energy, emphasizing that the distribution of mass in a star affects its gravitational field, but stars are generally close to spherical.
  • There is a discussion about the linear nature of Newtonian gravity versus the nonlinear nature of general relativity, with implications for mass and gravitational force.
  • One participant questions if the mass ejected from a dying star could exceed the mass of the original star, to which another participant responds negatively, explaining the role of gravitational binding energy and external energy sources in such scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of dividing the Earth and the nature of gravitational forces related to dying stars. There is no consensus on the questions raised, and multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific interpretations of gravitational theory, and the discussion includes unresolved questions about the relationship between mass, energy, and gravitational forces in both Newtonian and relativistic contexts.

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If the Earth were divided into 4 sections and separated far enough that they have no gravitational pull on each other, would the gravity on each section be 25% of the current gravity on Earth?
 
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Benplace said:
If the Earth were divided into 4 sections and separated far enough that they have no gravitational pull on each other, would the gravity on each section be 25% of the current gravity on Earth?

Yes, considering Newton's law of universal gravitation. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_law_of_universal_gravitation.
Put 0.25*m2 instead of m2. m2 is mass of our Earth.
F is 0.25 times the original gravitational force.
 
Voyager I said:
Yes, considering Newton's law of universal gravitation. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_law_of_universal_gravitation.
Put 0.25*m2 instead of m2. m2 is mass of our Earth.
F is 0.25 times the original gravitational force.
The OP seems to ask about surface gravity. I don't think it will be equal to g/4 in general.
 
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Would the amount of star dust excreted from a dying star equal the gravitational force of the original star then?
 
Benplace said:
Would the amount of star dust excreted from a dying star equal the gravitational force of the original star then?
I'm sorry, but that question doesn't make a lot of sense. Can you try to be more clear about what you're asking? Also, note A.T.'s post above - the answer that Voyager1 provided may not have been correct, depending on what you're trying to ask.
 
Sorry, I'm not a physicist or a mathematician, I am just interested.
From what I understand, when a star dies, heavier elements are extracted from it. Does the total sum of those elements and the gravitational force they create equal the gravity the star originally created by warping space? From what I understand we all warp the fabric of space creating a gravitational force even though a small amount.
 
Gravity is just a function of mass. Well, actually, since you posted this in the relativity forum, it's more accurate to say it depends on the stress energy. But for ordinary, nonrelativistic matter, the stress-energy is dominated by the mass-energy.

So, it doesn't matter what the star is made of; just how massive it is. You also warp space, but not very much because you aren't very massive. The distribution of mass in a star can affect the gravitational field some, but stars are fairly close to spherical so the shape is not very important.
 
Newtonian gravity is linear. If you double the mass (while keeping the same dimensions), you have double the gravitational force on a test object.

General relativity is nonlinear. If you increase mass enough (while keeping the same dimensions), you eventually get a black hole.
 
What I am trying to figure out, is it possible that when a star dies the mass ejected from it could be greater than the mass of the original star?
 
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Nope.
 
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Benplace said:
What I am trying to figure out, is it possible that when a star dies the mass ejected from it could be greater than the mass of the original star?

No. If you used an external source of energy to disassemble a star - or a planet - that would require you to put energy into the system to perform the disassembly. It takes work to overcome the gravitational binding energy holding the star or planet together, so the total mass of the system would increases after dissassembly.

But the increase in energy of the system can be traced to the external source - it wouldn't happen that way if a star exploded.

To get into more details would require a fairly technical discussion of mass in General Relativity, which isn't a B-level topic.
 

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