Gravity of Planets: Force, Center, & Distance

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The discussion revolves around the nature of gravitational force in relation to distance from the center of a planet, particularly focusing on how gravity behaves both above and below the surface of a planet. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical reasoning, and real-world applications related to gravity, including the Shell Theorem and effects of density variations within planetary bodies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether gravity is solely produced by the center of a planet and how gravity behaves as one approaches the center, suggesting a potential increase in gravitational pull due to surrounding mass.
  • Another participant explains that above the surface of a planet, gravity can be treated as if all mass is concentrated at the center, but below the surface, the Shell Theorem indicates that the gravitational influence of the mass above cancels out, resulting in decreased gravity with depth.
  • A participant acknowledges the complexity of the mathematics involved but expresses gratitude for the qualitative understanding provided.
  • Further clarification is offered regarding the cancellation of forces from a shell and how this leads to a gravitational potential that is not zero, introducing concepts of time dilation and effects observed in general relativity.
  • One participant notes that in real-world scenarios, such as with Earth, gravity can increase with depth due to density differences between the core and mantle.
  • Another reiterates the Shell Theorem and its implications for both Newtonian gravity and general relativity, emphasizing the importance of these principles in practical applications like GPS technology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the Shell Theorem and its implications for gravitational behavior, but there are differing views on the effects of density variations within real planetary bodies and how they influence gravitational force.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include assumptions of uniform density and perfect spherical shapes, which may not hold true for all planetary bodies. The discussion also touches on unresolved mathematical steps and the complexities of measuring gravitational effects in practical scenarios.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying gravitational physics, planetary science, or general relativity, as well as individuals curious about the practical implications of these concepts in technology like GPS.

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force of gravity decreases with distance from the planet.This means the distance from the center of the planet.Is the center only producing the gravity?If i get close to the center the Will the gravity increase towards the center or away?because if the planet is perfectly spherical with uniform density the mass will be around him,∴pulling him away?again pulled back because of more mass now?
 
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(Assuming uniform density and perfect spheres)

As long as you are above the sphere of the planet, you can treat the planet as if all of it's mass were concentrated in a single point in its centre. The result will be the same.

Onc you get below the surface of a planet, the shell above the distance from the planet's centre you're currenly at, contributes exactly zero to the gravity experienced by you(the influences from the shell cancel each other out). Thus, you're left with only what's under your feet at any given time.
And since the deeper you go, the less of a planet there is left underneath, the lower the gravity you experience.


Both effects are explained by the Shell Theorem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_theorem
 
The maths is beyond me.But still thanks for giving an idea
 
You can gain a qualitative understanding for the effect without going into the math.

All it is about is the fact that once you're inside the shell, forces coming from opposite directions cancel each other out. In the case of being in the very centre of a shell it is very obvious.
If you're off centre, you effectively have more mass pulling at you from farther away on one side, and less mass closer to you on the other.
The math is there to show that the force increase from being closer to the mass on one side is exactly balanced by the force increase due to having more mass on the other.

The bit of the theorem proving that mass can be treated as concentrated in the centre is very similar. You've got less mass closer to you and more farther away.
 
I understood that,again thank you
 
When it comes to real world bodies (among them the Earth) gravity can sometimes increase with depth due to the difference in density between, for example, the core and mantle.
 
Bandersnatch said:
Onc you get below the surface of a planet, the shell above the distance from the planet's centre you're currenly at, contributes exactly zero to the gravity experienced by you(the influences from the shell cancel each other out). Thus, you're left with only what's under your feet at any given time.
And since the deeper you go, the less of a planet there is left underneath, the lower the gravity you experience.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_theorem

It's very cool how that works in Newton's gravity. It's also very cool
that it works in general relativity as well. If you have spherical shells
then the forces of shells you are inside cancel. Only the matter
inside the radius you are at will produce a gravity force. That's
important because it's a measured thing and so GR would be in
big trouble if it didn't work.

But the really cool thing is, while the forces cancel, the overall gravity
effect isn't nothing. You are in effect at a different gravitational
potential. So there is a time dilation effect. Clocks down wells
run at different rates to clocks on the surface.

There's also a special relativity effect because clocks at different
altitudes are moving at different rates due to rotation.

These are pretty hard to measure at the small altitude changes
involved in wells. But GPS sattelites can resolve these effects
with very good accuracy. The clock on a GPS satt has to be
adjusted to account for both of these effects.
Dan
 

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