Green's function for an impulsive force on a string

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The discussion revolves around the application of Green's function in the context of an impulsive force acting on a string, specifically involving the Heaviside step function and Dirac delta functions. Participants are exploring the relationships between derivatives of these functions and their implications in the problem setup.

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  • Participants are attempting to derive expressions for the Green's function and are questioning the validity of their assumptions regarding the Heaviside function and its derivatives. There is discussion about the properties of the Dirac delta function and how they relate to the problem.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the use of product and chain rules in differentiation, while others are clarifying properties of the Heaviside and Dirac delta functions. Multiple interpretations of the relationships between the functions are being explored, and there is an ongoing exchange of ideas without a clear consensus yet.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of the problem, including the need to reconcile terms involving the delta function and the Heaviside function. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges posed by the properties of these functions in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



H'(t) = \delta(t)

The Attempt at a Solution



So far I've taken the derivatives of G(x,t) with respect to xx and tt and gotten
G_{xx}(x,t) = -\frac{θ^{2}}{c} and
G_{tt}(x,t) = θ^{2}c

which gives θ^{2}c - c^{2}(-\frac{θ^{2}}{c}) = \delta(x)\delta(t)

= 2θ^{2}c = \frac{dH(x)}{dx}\frac{dH(t)}{dt}
where H(x), H(t) are the heaviside step functions for x and t.

I'm not sure how these are related or if I've gone about this in a completely wrong way. (Dirac functions are not my strong suit :frown: )
 
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Is it possible that θ(ct-x) does not equal (θct - θx) which I assumed when I did the derivatives, but that theta is a function of ct -x ? In which case I'm really lost
 
Hi xago! :smile:

No, θ(ct-x) does not equal (θct - θx).
The first is zero for any x and t for which ct-x=0.
The second is only zero if x=0 and t=0.

I recommend working out the derivatives using product rule and chain rule.
You can use that dθ/dx=δ(x) and dδ/dx=δ'(x).

For the final expression you'll need some properties of δ in 2 dimensions to simplify it.
 
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I don't understand how dθ/dx=δ(x)
 
For G_{tt}(x,t) I'm getting \frac{1}{2}\frac{d^{2}}{dt^{2}}(θ)(ct-x)cθ(x+ct) + \frac{d}{dt}(θ)(ct-x)\frac{d}{dt}(θ)(x+ct)c + \frac{1}{2}θ(ct-x)\frac{d^{2}}{dt^{2}}(θ)(x+ct)c

For G_{xx}(x,t) I get pretty much the same thign except divied by c, \frac{1}{c}(\frac{1}{2}\frac{d^{2}}{dx^{2}}(θ)(ct-x)cθ(x+ct) + \frac{d}{dx}(θ)(ct-x)\frac{d}{dx}(θ)(x+ct)c + \frac{1}{2}θ(ct-x)\frac{d^{2}}{dx^{2}}(θ)(x+ct)c)

When I plug them into G_{tt}(x,t) - c^{2}G_{xx}(x,t) I get 2c\frac{d}{dt}(θ)(ct-x)\frac{d}{dx}(θ)(x+ct)
 
Looks good!
That's also what I have.

Here's a few more properties of delta (from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function" ).

\delta(x,y)=\delta(x)\delta(y)

\delta(ax)={\delta(x) \over |a|}

\delta(R(x,y))=\delta(x,y) for any rotation or reflection R.
 
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Well θ is a function of x and t right? So is take \frac{d}{dx}(θ)(x+ct) the same as δ(θ(x,t)) = δ(x,t) ?
or \frac{d}{dx}(θ)(x+ct) = δ(x)?
 
xago said:
Well θ is a function of x and t right? So is take \frac{d}{dx}(θ)(x+ct) the same as δ(θ(x,t)) = δ(x,t) ?
or \frac{d}{dx}(θ)(x+ct) = δ(x)?

Not quite.
What you have is that θ'(y)=δ(y).
Applying the chain rule, you get:
{d \over dt}(\Theta(x+ct)) = \delta(x+ct) \cdot c
Apparently you have already applied the chain rule, so you should just replace d/dt(θ)(x+ct) by δ(x+ct).
Edit: Note that δ(x+ct) is a one-dimensional dirac delta, while δ(x, ct) is a two-dimensional dirac delta.
 
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Right so what I'm trying to do get rid of the 2c term somehow, what I'm getting is

2cδ(x+ct)δ(ct-x) which I need to make equal to δ(x)δ(t)
 
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xago said:
Right so what I'm trying to do get rid of the 2c term somehow, what I'm getting is

2cδ(x+ct)δ(ct-x) which I need to make equal to δ(x)δ(t)

Yep.
 
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Here's an alternative method to find it:

Let f(u,v) be an unspecified function.
Then:
\iint f(ct+x, ct-x) \delta(ct+x) \delta(ct-x) dxdt = \iint f(u,v) \delta(u) \delta(v) |\det(J)| dudv
where J is the Jacobian matrix identified by the transformation from (u,v) to (x,t).

Since this equation holds for any function f, it follows that:
\delta(ct+x) \delta(ct-x) = \delta(x) \delta(t) |\det(J)|
which leaves only the Jacobian matrix to be identified.
 
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  • #13
I understand it pretty good now, thanks for your help!
 
  • #14
You're welcome! :smile:
 

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