Green's Function of Linear ODE

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The discussion revolves around finding the Green's function for the linear ordinary differential equation \( u'' + u = f \). Participants are exploring the properties and boundary conditions associated with the Green's function, particularly focusing on the implications of continuity and jump discontinuities at specific points.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the Green's function and the necessary boundary conditions, questioning the validity of continuity assumptions and the method of integrating across discontinuities. Some suggest alternative approaches, such as using an ansatz for the Green's function.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made regarding boundary conditions. There is no explicit consensus, but various methods and interpretations are being explored, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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Participants note the typical requirement of four boundary conditions, with some uncertainty about how to derive the fourth condition. The discussion also highlights the potential limitations of certain integration techniques in this context.

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Homework Statement


Find Green's function of ##u''+u=f##.

Homework Equations


What we all know.

The Attempt at a Solution


Let Greens function be ##G##. Then ##G''+G=\delta(x-x_0)##. This admits solutions superimposed of sine and cosine. Let's split the function at ##x=x_0##. Then we require four boundary conditions. We are typically given 1 at each end point (2 total), we know ##G## is continuous, and lastly there is a jump discontinuity at ##x=x_0##. This is where I'm stuck. In determining this fourth BC, would we integrate the ODE from ##x_0-## to ##x_0+##? This would imply ##u'_+-u'_- + \int_-^+G = 1##.

Is there an easier way?
 
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joshmccraney said:

Homework Statement


Find Green's function of ##u''+u=f##.

Homework Equations


What we all know.

The Attempt at a Solution


Let Greens function be ##G##. Then ##G''+G=\delta(x-x_0)##. This admits solutions superimposed of sine and cosine. Let's split the function at ##x=x_0##. Then we require four boundary conditions. We are typically given 1 at each end point (2 total), we know ##G## is continuous, and lastly there is a jump discontinuity at ##x=x_0##. This is where I'm stuck. In determining this fourth BC, would we integrate the ODE from ##x_0-## to ##x_0+##? This would imply ##u'_+-u'_- + \int_-^+G = 1##.

Is there an easier way?

That is as easy as it gets: ##\int_{-x_0}^{+x_0} G \, dx = 0##, so ##G'(+x_0) - G'(-x_0) = 1##.
 
joshmccraney said:
we know ##G## is continuous,

This is often stated without motivation. It may or may not be true depending on the differential equation.

and lastly there is a jump discontinuity at ##x=x_0##. This is where I'm stuck. In determining this fourth BC, would we integrate the ODE from ##x_0-## to ##x_0+##? This would imply ##u'_+-u'_- + \int_-^+G = 1##.

Is there an easier way?

I never liked the "integrate from ##x_{0-}## to ##x_{0+}## argument. I find it much more instructive and transparent to make an ansatz of the form ##G(x,x_0) = \theta(x-x_0)g_+(x) + \theta(x_0 - x) g_-(x)## and insert it into the differential equation and then start identifying terms.

However, if you do want to use the integration approach, it is the differential equation for the Green's function that you want to integrate. This does not contain any u (exchange your u+ and u- for G+ and G-). Also the integral of the function itself vanishes in the limit.
 
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Thanks everyone! Yea, I made a few typos and had a mind blank.
 

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