Green's Theorem for a Circle with a Vector Field

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves applying Green's theorem to a vector field defined on a circle in the plane, specifically examining the line integral around the circle and its relation to a double integral over the region enclosed by the circle. The context includes considerations of the vector field's behavior near the origin and the implications for the validity of applying Green's theorem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Green's theorem but expresses concern about its validity due to the vector field's definition excluding the origin. They question whether the smoothness of the vector field or the expression derived from it is the issue.
  • Some participants question the assumption that the expression \(\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\) can be treated uniformly across the region, suggesting it may only hold on the boundary.
  • Another participant reflects on a potential misunderstanding regarding the line integral's value at the origin, drawing parallels to concepts from complex analysis.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring the implications of the original poster's reasoning and questioning the assumptions made about the vector field and the application of Green's theorem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the integral and its evaluation, but no consensus has been reached on the underlying issues.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the vector field is not defined at the origin, which raises questions about the application of Green's theorem in this context. There is also mention of specific values for the line integral that may depend on the radius of the circle.

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Homework Statement


For a > 0, let [itex]C_a[/itex] be the circle [itex]x^2 + y^2 = a^2[/itex] (counter-clockwise orientation). Let [tex]\textbf{F} : R^2[/tex] \ {0} [tex]\rightarrow R^2[/tex] be the following vectorfield:
[tex]\textbf{F}\left(x,y\right) = F_1\left(x,y\right)\textbf{i} + F_2\left(x,y\right)\textbf{j}[/tex]

Also given:
[tex]\frac{\partial F_2}{\partial x} - \frac{\partial F_1}{\partial y} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}[/tex]
[tex]\oint_{C_1} \textbf{F} \cdot d \textbf{r} = 1[/tex]

Determine:
[tex]\oint_{C_a} \textbf{F} \cdot d \textbf{r}[/tex]
for arbitrary a > 0.


Homework Equations


Green's theorem:
[tex]\oint_{C} \textbf{F} \cdot d \textbf{r} = \iint_R \left( \frac{\partial F_2}{\partial x} - \frac{\partial F_1}{\partial y} \right) \, dA[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution


It is obvious that we should use Green's theorem, even if it's not explicitly mentioned in the question, but I fear that I'm using it where it is not valid...

Using Green's theorem directly I calculate:
(R is the interior (surface) of the circle C_a)
[tex]\oint_{C_a} \textbf{F} \cdot d \textbf{r} = \iint_R \left( \frac{\partial F_2}{\partial x} - \frac{\partial F_1}{\partial y} \right) \, dA = \iint_R \frac{dA}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}[/tex]
[tex]= \iint_R \frac{dA}{a} = \frac{1}{a} \times \text{surface of R} = \pi a[/tex]

This answer is wrong, and my question is actually why?
I don't need the actual answer to the question (I have it right here in fact) but I need to know why I cannot use green's theorem like this.

I can see two possible reasons:
1. F needs to be smooth (0 is not included in the domain of F)
2. The [tex]\frac{\partial F_2}{\partial x} - \frac{\partial F_1}{\partial y}[/tex] part needs to be smooth (it's now undefined at 0)

Which is the right reason? Or are they equivalent? I can't remember my teacher telling us F needs to be smooth but I expect he simply forgot...
 
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Hmmmm... does [tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}[/tex] Really equal [itex]\frac{1}{a}[/itex] everywhere in your region...or just on the boundary of the region?:wink:
 
Oh wow, that was probably the worst mistake I ever made LOL!

Thanks for spotting that... :p
 
from the definition of the problem and since the line integral would not be defined at r=0 my idea is that the line integral is not 0 but [tex]2\pi[/tex]

it is a similar problem to 'Cauchy integral formula' on the complex plane but know we miss the ' i'
 
Actually the answer is 1 + 2 pi (a - 1)

Let D be the region enclosed by the curves [tex]C_1[/tex] and [tex]C_a[/tex].
For a < 1 we have:
[tex]\oint_{C_1} \textbf{F} \cdot \textbf{dr} - \oint_{C_a} \textbf{F} \cdot \textbf{dr} = \iint_D \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\,dx\,dy = \int_0^{2\pi} \int_a^1 dr\,d\theta = 2\pi \left(1 - a\right)[/tex]
And since the first integral on the left hand side is 1 (see problem statement) we have:
[tex]\oint_{C_a} \textbf{F} \cdot \textbf{dr} = 1 - 2\pi(1-a) = 1 + 2\pi (a - 1)[/tex]

And a similar argument for a > 1 yields the same value.
 

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