Griffith, Electrodynamics, 4th Edition, Example 4.8. (Second part)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Example 4.8 from Griffith's Electrodynamics, focusing on the calculation of the force on a point charge situated above a plane filled with a uniform linear dielectric material. Participants seek clarification on the application of the method of images, the validity of potential equations, and boundary conditions relevant to the problem.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the potential equations (4.52) and (4.53) hold for their respective regions and the rationale behind using a charge (q + qb) at (0, 0, d).
  • Another participant seeks to understand if the combination of equations (4.52) and (4.53) satisfies Poisson's equation and how the boundary conditions are justified for the original problem.
  • There is a request for clarification on the derivation of the force equation (4.54) and what specific formulas should be referenced.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding a highlighted argument in Griffith's text and requests a more accessible explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for clarification on specific questions, but there is no consensus on the interpretations or solutions to the posed questions, particularly regarding the application of boundary conditions and the method of images.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying the method of images and the specific conditions required for applying Poisson's equation in this context. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the derivation of the force on the charge.

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Griffith, Electrodynamics, understanding Example 4.8.
I am reading the Griffith, Electrodynamics book, 4th edition, Example 4.8. I want to understand some issues more correctly. It's a little bit difficult to understand now.

> Example 4.8. Suppose the entire region below the plane ##z=0## in Fig. 4.28 is filled with uniform linear dielectric material of susceptibility ##\chi_e##. Calculate the force on a point charge ##q## situated a distance ##d## above the origin.

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In the page 196, in the first paragraph, the author argues as follows :

We could, of course, obtain the field of ##\sigma_b## by direct integration

$$ \mathbf{E} = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \int ( \frac{\hat{\mathfrak{r}}}{\mathfrak{r}^2}) \sigma_b da$$ ( where ##\mathfrak{r}## is the separation vector. I still don't know how to write cursive ##r## in physics Forum ).
But, as in the case of the conducting plane, there is a nicer solution by the method of images.
Indeed, if we replace the dielectric by a single point charge ##q_b## at the position ##(0,0, -d)##, we have

$$ V = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0}[ \frac{q}{\sqrt{x^2 +y^2 + (z-d)^2 }} + \frac{q_b}{\sqrt{x^2+ y^2+(z+d)^2}}]. \tag{4.52}$$

in the region ##z>0##. Meanwhile, a charge ##(q+q_b)## at ##(0,0.d)## yields the potential
$$ V= \frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_0} [ \frac{q + q_b}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2+(z-d)^2}}] . \tag{4.53}$$

for the region ##z<0##.

Q.1. Why ##(4.52)## holds for region ##z>0## ? And why we consider a charge ##(q+q_b)## at ##(0,0,d)## and why the potential ##(4.53)## it yelds holds for the region ##z<0## ?
I've only skimmed this issue roughly, but I don't understand it correctly.


(Continuing arguemnt ) Taken together, Eqs. 4.52 and 4.53 constitute a function that satisfies Poisson' equation with a point charge ##q## at ##(0,0,d)## ( what exact form of equation is it? ), which goes to zero at infinity, which is continuous at the boundary ##z=0##, and whose normal derivative exhibits the discontinuity appropriate to a surface charge ##\sigma_b## at ##z=0## :

$$-\epsilon_0 (\frac{\partial V}{\partial z}|_{z=0^{+}}- \frac{\partial V}{\partial z}|_{z=0^{-}} ) = -\frac{1}{2 \pi}( \frac{\chi_e}{\chi_e +2}) \frac{qd}{(x^2+y^2+d^2)^{3/2}}. \tag{1}$$

Q.2. Can we really show that the ##(4.52)## and ##(4.53)## together satisfies the Poisson's equation? Is ##(1)## the result of a direct calculation obtained by substituting ##(4.52)## and ##(4.53)## ( and using ##(4.51)## in his book ) ? Why such result ##(1)## guarantees the associated boundary condition? Finally, how can we know that the boundary conditions Griffith arranges- goes to zero at infinity, continuous at the boundary ##z=0##, normal derivative's exhibition of the discontinuity appropriate to a surface charge ##\sigma_b## at ##z=0## .. - are 'exact' boundary conditions for solving the original problem ( Example 4.8 ), so that we may apply the method of images ( the uniqueness theorem ) ?

( Cont. ) Accordingly, this is the correct potential for our problem. In particular, the force on ##q## is :

$$ \mathbf{F} = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \frac{qq_b}{(2d)^2} \hat{\mathbf{z}} = - \frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_0}(\frac{\chi_e}{\chi_e + 2})\frac{q^2}{4d^2}\hat{\mathbf{z}}. \tag{4.54} $$

Q.3. Why the first equality in ##(4.54)## is true? Can anyone hint? What should I plug into which formula? Please comment what I should recall.

P.s. Q.4. There is additional question ( may skip.. ) In the final paragraph in the solution, Griffith wrote as follows :

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I don't understand the argument in the part highlighted in red. Could someone please explain it more friendly to me?

Can anyone teach me/ help? Thanks for reading.
 
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I think I understood Question 1 and Question 3. Can anyone explain about the Question 2 and 4 ? :)
 
What have you done so far with questions 2 and 4?
 
The field is 0 inside the conductor.
 

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