Griffiths Introduction to Quantum Physics 2.13.B

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around constructing the wave function ψ(x,t) for a particle in a harmonic oscillator potential, specifically focusing on the expression ψ(x,t) = 1/5(3ψ_0(x)e^(-iE_0t/ħ)+4ψ_1(x)e^(-iE_1t/ħ). Participants are tasked with finding the energy eigenvalues E_0 and E_1 and subsequently calculating |ψ(x,t)|^2.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for the potential assumed in the problem, as it impacts the energy eigenvalues. There are attempts to clarify the correct expressions for E_0 and E_1, with some confusion regarding the transition between different equations for expectation values and

    . The use of ladder operators is also explored, with questions about the distribution of terms and the implications of orthogonality of the wave functions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of ladder operators and the distribution of terms in the calculations, but there is no explicit consensus on the methodology or final outcomes.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the harmonic oscillator potential in determining the energy eigenvalues and express confusion over certain mathematical steps, particularly in the context of using ladder operators and the implications of orthogonality among the wave functions involved.

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Homework Statement


construct ψ(x,t)^(2) where ψ(x,t) = 1/5(3ψ_0(x)e^(-iE_0t/ħ)+4ψ_1(x)e^(-iE_1t/ħ). I know we square it but we have to find E_0 and E_1 and put it in.

Homework Equations


E_n = (ħ^(2)k_n^(2))/2m = (n^(2)π^(2)ħ^(2))/2ma^(2)

The Attempt at a Solution


E_0 = 0 and E_(1) = (1π^(2)ħ^(2))/2ma^(2)
Proper solution: E_0 = ħω/2 and E_1 = 3ħω/2
 
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You have said nothing of the potential that is assumed for the given problem. This is necessary information as it will affect the energy eigenvalues and eigenstates.
 
The full problem is:
A particle in the harmonic oscillator potential starts out in the state Ψ(x,0) = A[3ψ_0(x)+4ψ_1(x)]
A. = Find A, A = 1/5
B. Construct Ψ(x,t) and |Ψ(x,t)|^2:
Ψ(x,t) = 1/5[3ψ(x)e^(-((iE_0 t)/ħ)+4ψ(x)e^(-(iE_1 t)/ħ)]

What I understand is that the the harmonic states is 0 and 1 so n = 0 and n = 1
 
However, I just found the equation
E_(n) = (n+1/2)ħω

so it makes sense now, however, I have a question about part C. which is find <x> and <p>.
so x = (ħ/(2mω))^(½)(a_(+)-a_(-)) and <x> = (1/25)(ħ/(2mω))^(½)(∫Ψ^*(a_+a_-)Ψdx but I am alittle confused on what to do next.
I believe what happens is a_+3ψ_0 + a_4ψ_1 = 3ψ_(n+1)^(2)e^(-iωt)+4ψ_(n-1)^(2)e^(iωt)= 3(4ψ_1^(2))e^(-iωt)+4(3ψ_(0)^2)e^(iωt) is this the correct understanding?
 
deltafee said:
however, I have a question about part C. which is find <x> and <p>.
so x = (ħ/(2mω))^(½)(a_(+)-a_(-)) and <x> = (1/25)(ħ/(2mω))^(½)(∫Ψ^*(a_+a_-)Ψdx but I am alittle confused on what to do next.
I believe what happens is a_+3ψ_0 + a_4ψ_1 = 3ψ_(n+1)^(2)e^(-iωt)+4ψ_(n-1)^(2)e^(iωt)= 3(4ψ_1^(2))e^(-iωt)+4(3ψ_(0)^2)e^(iωt) is this the correct understanding?
Your post is really hard to read. Please take a few minutes to learn LaTeX.

It's pretty clear the two sides around the first equal sign aren't, in fact, equal. You're not doing yourself any favors being sloppy with the math. Clean up your notation.
 
In part C. I need to find $$\left<x\right>$$ and $$\left<p\right>$$ using Ladder Operators:
$$\Psi\left(x,t\right) = \frac{1}{5}\left(3\psi_{0}\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{i\omega t}{2}}+4\psi_{1}\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{3i\omega t}{2}}\right)$$
$$x = \sqrt{\frac{\hbar}{2m\omega}}\left(a_{+}+a_{-}\right)$$
So:
$$\left<x\right> = \sqrt{\frac{\hbar}{2m\omega}}\int \Psi^{*}\left(a_{+}+a_{-}\right)\Psi_{n} (Eq1)$$, I know that the next step in the solution is $$\left<x\right>=\sqrt{\frac{\hbar}{2m\omega}}\int\left(12\psi_{0}^{2}e^{-i\omega t}+12\psi_{1}^{2}e^{i\omega t}\right)dx(Eq2)$$ and I am confused on how you get from Eq1 to Eq2. My idea of the step in between is
$$\left<x\right>=\sqrt{\frac{\hbar}{2m\omega}}\int \left(3a_{+}\psi_{0} +4a_{-}\psi_{1}\right)$$
 
The usual distributive rules apply here. Multiply everything out as you usually would to calculate ##(a_+ + a_-)(c_1 \psi_0 + c_2\psi_1)##.
 
from that distribution we get $$ \left(3a_{+}\psi_{0}\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{i\omega t}{2}}+4a_{-}\psi_{1}\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{3i\omega t}{2}}+3a_{-}\psi_{0}e^{-\frac{i\omega t}{2}}+4a_{-}\psi\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{3i\omega t}{2}}\right)$$
and
$$a_{+}=\sqrt{n+1}\psi_{n+1}, a_{-}=\sqrt{n}\psi_{n-1}$$
and using that operate you get:
$$ 3\sqrt{n+1}\psi_{1}\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{i\omega t}{2}}+4\sqrt{n+1}\psi_{2}\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{3i\omega t}{2}}+3\sqrt{n}\psi_{-1}e^{-\frac{i\omega t}{2}}+4\sqrt{n}\psi_{0}\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{3i\omega t}{2}}$$
which is
$$ 3\sqrt{0+1}\psi_{1}\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{i\omega t}{2}}+4\sqrt{1+1}\psi_{2}\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{3i\omega t}{2}}+3\sqrt{0}\psi_{-1}e^{-\frac{i\omega t}{2}}+4\sqrt{1}\psi_{0}\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{3i\omega t}{2}}$$
So you get:
$$ 3\psi_{1}\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{i\omega t}{2}}+4\sqrt{2}\psi_{2}\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{3i\omega t}{2}}+4\psi_{0}\left(x\right)e^{-\frac{3i\omega t}{2}}$$
Then multiplying by $$\Psi^{*}$$ we get:
$$9\psi_{0}\psi_{1}+12\sqrt{2}\psi_{2}\psi_{0}e^{-i\omega t}+12\psi_{0}^{2}e^{-1i\omega t}+12\psi_{1}^{2}e^{i\omega t}+16\sqrt{2}\psi_{2}\psi_{1}+16\psi_{0}\psi_{2}$$
and since $$\psi_{0}$$, $$\psi_{2}$$ and $$\psi_{1}$$ are all orthogonal to each other we get:
$$12\psi_{0}^{2}e^{-i\omega t}+12\psi_{1}^{2}e^{i\omega t}$$
Is that the correct process of thinking, I get the solution but I just want to make sure I got the right methodology.
 

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