Ground state energy for hydrogen-like “atom”

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The discussion revolves around determining the ground state energy and wavefunction for a hydrogen-like atom, specifically the He+ ion. The original poster presents a wavefunction and seeks to find the normalization constant and a parameter related to the energy of the system using a specific equation from lecture notes.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to substitute the wavefunction into an equation to solve for a parameter but encounters difficulties. Some participants suggest clarifying the notation and simplifying the equation using known values for the ground state.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the original poster's calculations and identify errors, particularly regarding the dependence of a constant on a variable. Participants are exploring how to manipulate the equation to isolate the parameter of interest.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the notation and the handling of constants in the equations. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the implications of their calculations and the role of specific constants.

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For a hydrogen-like “atom” (e.g., He+ ion), with nuclear charge Ze, it is claimed that the the ground-state wavefunction is spherically symmetric and is given by ψ(r)=Aexp(−αr) , where A and α are constant. (a) Determine the normalization constant A in terms of α. (b) Determine α by making use of (Eq.3) in the lecture note (Ch.9 pg 4). Note that you need to make some change in the equation before applying it to this system. Hence, find the ground state energy.

The mentioned equation here is attached below. The R in the equation refers to ψ(r) and l is the orbital quantum number[/B]

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I can finish part a) but for part b), i substitute ψ(r)=Aexp(−αr) and try to solve for α. It comes up with the following result and I am stuck. please help![/B]
 

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It is hard to read your handwriting, can you write it here (as text or with LaTeX)?
You know l for the ground state, that allows to simplify the equation significantly.
 
Hi, Andy. Welcome to PF!

Looks like you dropped a factor of ##\hbar## in going from the first to second line.

Look at your 6th line (before you solved for ##\alpha##). Note that it must be satisfied for all values of ##r## even though ##\alpha## is a constant.
 
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mfb said:
It is hard to read your handwriting, can you write it here (as text or with LaTeX)?
You know l for the ground state, that allows to simplify the equation significantly.
I'm sorry my hand-writing is a bit messy. I will try to learn how to use LaTex
 
TSny said:
Hi, Andy. Welcome to PF!

Looks like you dropped a factor of ##\hbar## in going from the first to second line.

Look at your 6th line (before you solved for ##\alpha##). Note that it must be satisfied for all values of ##r## even though ##\alpha## is a constant.
I understand that ##\alpha## is a constant and when i solve it, it somehow seems like to depend on r. And when i check my calculations, it seems to be ok except that ##\hbar## part. What shall i do? Can i just randomly let r be any number i want?
 
For the correct α, the equation does not depend on r any more. Or, in other words, the derivative of "something=0" with respect to r will be zero.
 
Andy123 said:
I understand that ##\alpha## is a constant and when i solve it, it somehow seems like to depend on r. And when i check my calculations, it seems to be ok except that ##\hbar## part. What shall i do? Can i just randomly let r be any number i want?
Right. ##\alpha## can't depend on ##r##. This fact actually determines the value of ##\alpha##. By examining your 6th equation, can you see a way for the two terms that depend on ##r## to cancel out?
 
TSny said:
Right. ##\alpha## can't depend on ##r##. This fact actually determines the value of ##\alpha##. By examining your 6th equation, can you see a way for the two terms that depend on ##r## to cancel out?
since ##\alpha##. doesn't depends on ##r## and ##E## doesn't depend on ##r## too, the only way to cancel them is to put those two terms to be zero when added up and then i can solve for ##\alpha##.?
 
Yes, I think that's right. Combine the two terms that contain ##r## and see if you can make the combined term vanish.
 
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Yes. I can find the answer now. Thanks all of you!:smile::smile::smile:
 

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