Group Homomorphisms from Z/<5> to Z/<5>: A Brute Force Approach

  • Thread starter Thread starter mathematician
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Group Homomorphisms
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding all homomorphisms from the group Z/<5> into itself. The discussion centers around understanding the properties of group homomorphisms and the implications of the structure of Z/<5>.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the brute force method of considering all possible mappings for the function, questioning the combinatorial complexity involved.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of mapping specific elements, particularly f(1), and how it affects the homomorphism properties.
  • There is a clarification regarding the notation used, specifically whether it refers to addition or multiplication, and the correct interpretation of Z/<5>.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of homomorphisms and the constraints on their mappings. Some guidance is offered regarding the number of homomorphisms and the dependence on the value of f(1). Multiple interpretations of the notation and structure are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the notation used for Z/<5> and whether it refers to the group or an ideal. Participants are also considering the implications of the operation (addition vs. multiplication) in the context of defining the homomorphisms.

mathematician
Messages
1
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Find all homomorphisms from Z/<5> into Z/<5>.



The Attempt at a Solution


Is this a brute force question where we consider all the possibilities for the function?
i.e f(0)=0,1,2,3,4
But that would still be combinatorially difficult.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
If f(1) =0, then f(x) = 0 for all x. Otherwise, there is k !=0 s.t. f(x) = kx for all x. So there are exactly 5 homos. I'll let you fill in the details(I left out several).
 
Last edited:
Z/<5>={z<5>|z in Z}
but: <5>={5^0,5^1,...}
from your notation i understnad that <5> should be 5Z.
first you need to specify if it's with respect to addition or multiplication.
let's assume it's addition then 0 should be mapped to zero, and then you need
to map everything that the operation will stay as it is, i mean that f(a+b)=f(a)+f(b)
for example f(4+1)=f(5)=f(0)=0=f(4)+f(1) then the only couple for f(1) or f(4) are 2,3 or 4 and 1 or both zero, and this way you keep mapping between them.
so as you said it's a brute force type of question.
 
edit
 
Last edited:
Presumably, <5> indicates the ideal generated by 5, and not the group.
 
Mystic998 said:
Presumably, <5> indicates the ideal generated by 5, and not the group.
Yes, and so Z/<5> is the quotient group, the "group of integers modulo 5" as everyone is assuming.

mathematician said:

Homework Statement


Find all homomorphisms from Z/<5> into Z/<5>.



The Attempt at a Solution


Is this a brute force question where we consider all the possibilities for the function?
i.e f(0)=0,1,2,3,4
But that would still be combinatorially difficult.
No, not at all. There are only 5 such homomorphisms, not 5!= 120 as you may be thinking; you cannot just assign values arbitrarily. If f is a homomorphism then f(a+ b)= f(a)+ f(b) so f(2)= f(1)+ f(1), f(3)= f(1)+ f(1)+ f(1), and f(4)= f(1)+ f(1)+ f(1)+ f(1). (Of course f(0)= 0 for every homomorphism.) Every thing depends entirely on what f(1) is and there are 5 possible values for that.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
2K