Does This Mapping Define a Group Homomorphism from ℤ_n to D_n?

  • Thread starter Thread starter spacetimedude
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Group
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the mapping from the group ℤ_n to the dihedral group D_n, specifically examining whether this mapping defines a group homomorphism. Participants are exploring the implications of group homomorphisms and the operations involved in the context of these two groups.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the nature of group homomorphisms, particularly whether the operation on the left side can differ from that on the right side. There is also an inquiry into the definitions of D_n and the concept of a "turn."

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the definitions and the nature of operations in different groups. There is an ongoing exploration of the mapping and its properties, with suggestions to test specific values to gain intuition.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of potential confusion regarding the operations used in different groups and the need for clarity on the definitions involved in the mapping.

spacetimedude
Messages
87
Reaction score
1

Homework Statement


ℤ_n → D_n sending z modn → g^z where g is rotation by an nth of a turn.

Homework Equations


Group homomorphism imply θ(g_1*g_2)=θ(g_1)*θ(g_2)

The Attempt at a Solution


Before anything, I'd like to know if Group homomorphism imply θ(g_1+g_2)=θ(g_1)xθ(g_2) I've seen θ(g_1xg_2)=θ(g_1)×θ(g_2) and θ(g_1+g_2)=θ(g_1)+θ(g_2) but not θ(g_1+g_2)=θ(g_1)xθ(g_2). Can the operator * be different on the left and right side?

Attempt:
θ(z_1+z_2)=gz_1+z_2 modn
I'm not sure how to go from here. I'm sure I need to use the fact that g^n=e but I don't know how to proceed.
Any help will be appreciated!
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
spacetimedude said:

Homework Statement


ℤ_n → D_n sending z modn → g^z where g is rotation by an nth of a turn.

What is ##D_n##? And what is a "turn" and an nth of a turn?

Homework Equations


Group homomorphism imply θ(g_1*g_2)=θ(g_1)*θ(g_2)

The Attempt at a Solution


Before anything, I'd like to know if Group homomorphism imply θ(g_1+g_2)=θ(g_1)xθ(g_2) I've seen θ(g_1xg_2)=θ(g_1)×θ(g_2) and θ(g_1+g_2)=θ(g_1)+θ(g_2) but not θ(g_1+g_2)=θ(g_1)xθ(g_2). Can the operator * be different on the left and right side?
Yes, they are usually different groups. Look up the definition of group homomorphism.
 
If you are having trouble with the intuition, you should try picking a value of n, say n=3 to start, and just explicitly write out every possible pair of elements in \mathbb{Z}_n and how they add up and what they would get mapped to in D_n.
 
spacetimedude said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Before anything, I'd like to know if Group homomorphism imply θ(g_1+g_2)=θ(g_1)xθ(g_2) I've seen θ(g_1xg_2)=θ(g_1)×θ(g_2) and θ(g_1+g_2)=θ(g_1)+θ(g_2) but not θ(g_1+g_2)=θ(g_1)xθ(g_2). Can the operator * be different on the left and right side?
Yes, the operations generally are different, even if you happen to use the same symbol for them. When you wrote ##\theta(g_1+g_2) = \theta(g_1)+\theta(g_2)##, the + on the lefthand side isn't the same as the + on the righthand side because ##g## and ##\theta(g)## are from two different sets.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
Replies
13
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K