Hamiltonian formulation of classical mechanics as symplectic manifold

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The discussion centers on the Hamiltonian formulation of classical mechanics, specifically regarding the properties of the phase space as a symplectic manifold. Participants explore the implications of the closed non-degenerate 2-form ##\omega## and its relation to Darboux's theorem, including questions about local canonical coordinates and the conditions under which ##\omega## is considered a 2-form with constant rank.

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  • One participant states that the 2-form ##\omega## is non-degenerate, which implies it has constant rank ##m##.
  • Another participant suggests that every 2-form can be expressed as a linear combination of wedge products of covector basis forms.
  • A participant questions whether the matrix ##a_{ij}## in the local representation of ##\omega## is assumed to be skew-symmetric, seeking clarification on this aspect.
  • It is noted that the non-degeneracy of ##\omega## is equivalent to the determinant of the matrix ##a_{ij}## being non-zero.

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Participants generally agree on the implications of non-degeneracy and the representation of the 2-form, but there is a question regarding the skew-symmetry of the matrix ##a_{ij}## that remains unresolved.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the properties of forms and matrices in the context of symplectic geometry, which may not be universally accepted or defined in the same way by all participants.

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About the definition of symplectic manifold structure employed in the hamiltonian formulation of classical mechanics
Hi, in the Hamiltonian formulation of classical mechanics, the phase space is a symplectic manifold. Namely there is a closed non-degenerate 2-form ##\omega## that assign a symplectic structure to the ##2m## even dimensional manifold (the phase space).

As explained here Darboux's theorem since ##\omega## is by definition closed from Poincare lemma there exist locally a 1-form ##\theta## such that locally ##\omega = d\theta##.

However I've not a clear understanding why such ##d\theta## fulfills the Darboux's theorem hypothesis hence there are local canonical coordinates such that ##\omega## can be written as
$$\omega = dq_i \wedge dp_i$$
If ##\omega## was a rank ##m## form then by definition ##(d\theta)^m \neq 0## and of course ##\theta \wedge (d\theta)^m = 0## since it would be a ##2m+1## form defined on a 2m-dimensional manifold.

So the question is: why ##\omega## is assumed to be a 2-form with constant rank ##m## ? Thanks.
 
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cianfa72 said:
So the question is: why ##\omega## is assumed to be a 2-form with constant rank ##m## ? Thanks.
It is not assumed, it follows from the fact that it is non-degenerate. Write it locally as ##\omega=\sum_{i,j} a_{ij}\theta^i\wedge\theta^j##, then ##\wedge^m \omega = det(a_{ij})\theta^1\wedge\cdots\wedge\theta^{2m}## is non-zero exactly when ##det(a_{ij})## is non-zero exactly when ##\omega## is non-degenerate.
 
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martinbn said:
Write it locally as ##\omega=\sum_{i,j} a_{ij}\theta^i\wedge\theta^j##
Ah ok, so every 2-form can be always written as linear combination of wedge products of covector (1-form) basis of the dual space at each point on the manifold.

Then the definition of non-degenerate is equivalent (iff condition) to ##det(a_{ij}) \neq 0##.
 
cianfa72 said:
Ah ok, so every 2-form can be always written as linear combination of wedge products of covector (1-form) basis of the dual space at each point on the manifold.

Then the definition of non-degenerate is equivalent (iff condition) to ##det(a_{ij}) \neq 0##.
Yes, if the ##\theta^i## form a basis of 1-forms, then the ##\theta^i\wedge\theta^j## form a basis of 2-forms.
 
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martinbn said:
Write it locally as ##\omega=\sum_{i,j} a_{ij}\theta^i\wedge\theta^j##, then ##\wedge^m \omega = det(a_{ij})\theta^1\wedge\cdots\wedge\theta^{2m}## is non-zero exactly when ##det(a_{ij})## is non-zero exactly when ##\omega## is non-degenerate.
Sorry to resume this old thread, in the definition of the 2-form ##\omega##, is the matrix ##a_{ij}## (with even dimension) assumed to be skew-symmetric (with even dimension)? Thanks.
 
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Yes.
 

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