Rovelli Quantum Gravity: Clarification on Symplectic Forms & Hamiltonian

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The discussion centers on the interpretation of the canonical 1-form ##\theta_0=p_idq^i## and its implications in the context of symplectic forms within Rovelli's "Quantum Gravity." The inversion of canonical variables leads to a sign change in the symplectic 2-forms, raising questions about the naturalness of the definitions used in Hamiltonian mechanics. The participants emphasize the importance of understanding the symplectic formulation as a crucial transition from classical to general-relativistic Hamiltonian mechanics.

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Please refer to p. 99 and 100 of Rovelli’s Quantum Gravity book (here).

I wonder what is the signification of the “naturalness” of the definition of ##\theta_0=p_idq^i##? If I take ##\theta_0'=q^idp_i## inverting the roles of the canonical variables and have the symplectic 2-forms of the Darboux’s theorem changing sign, ##\omega_0=d\theta_0=-d\theta_0'=-\omega_0'##, I would get ##(d\theta'_0)(X_0)=dH_0## the opposite of eq. 3.7. Or maybe I am not allowed to invert the roles of the variables because I need to work in the cotangent space and the only "natural" 1-form ##\theta_0## must be ##p_idq^i## where first you have the covector ##p_i##? What is the signification of this inversion of sign of the ##dH_0##? Could this be related to the assumption that the energy of a system is in reality the difference with an energy taken as zero? I would like to understand better the symplectic formulation of mechanics as it looks crucial when you go from the classical to the general-relativistic Hamiltonian formulation.

Thank you in advance!
 
Sorry, but somehow the page that you've linked can't be viewed to me.
But perhaps this is what you're looking for: There is a natural pairing between tangent and cotangent vectors. But in Hamiltonian mechanics, you're working on the cotangent bundle. Every tangent vector to the configuration space ((q,v) = (q, v^i \partial_{i}) \in T_q (M)) can be naturally treated as a tangent vector to the phase space (q, p; v^i \partial_{q^i}) \in T(T^* (M)). Conversely, every tangent vector to the phase space z = (q, p; v^{q^i} \partial_{q^i} + v^{p_i} \partial_{p_i} has a component that can be treated as a tangent vector to the configuration space. If \Pi: T^*(M) \to M be the canonical projection, then v = T(\Pi )\cdot z (T(Pi) is the derivative, other common notations are Pi' or dPi). So you can assign to every point of the phase space a cotangent vector that, paired with a tangent vector to the phase space, gives the pairing of the momentum component of that point with the tangent vector, treated as a tangent vector to the configuration space. This is exactly the canonical 1-form. \Theta_{(q,p)} (z) := (p \vert T(\Pi)\cdot z).
Of course, q^i\,dp_i = d(q^i\,p_i) - p_i\,dq^i.
Hope this helps.
 

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