Hard infinite series converges problem (Real Analysis)

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The discussion revolves around the convergence properties of the series Ʃ bk/(1+bk) given that the series Ʃ bk diverges, where bk are positive real numbers. Participants are exploring the implications of the divergence of the original series on the modified series.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to apply the comparison test and the ratio test but are encountering difficulties. There are discussions about the behavior of bk in different cases (bk < 1 and bk ≥ 1) and how these cases affect the convergence of the series.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for considering different cases for bk, while others are seeking further guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the lack of information about the monotonicity of bk.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted urgency from the original poster, which may influence the depth of exploration in the discussion. Additionally, there is a recognition that the behavior of bk may vary across its domain, complicating the analysis.

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Homework Statement


let bk>0 be real numbers such that Ʃ bk diverges. Show that the series Ʃ bk/(1+bk) diverges as well.
both series start at k=1

Homework Equations


From the Given statements, we know 1+bk>1 and 0<bk/(1+bk)<1

The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried using comparison test but cannot find anything that's definitely less than bk/(1+bk). Iv'e tried the ratio test but i get stuck with a bunch of bk+1's that I cannot do anything with. Some help or at least a push in the right direction would be much appreciated. Thank you. I'm also kinda in a rush haha.
 
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nevnight13 said:

Homework Statement


let bk>0 be real numbers such that Ʃ bk diverges. Show that the series Ʃ bk/(1+bk) diverges as well.
both series start at k=1


Homework Equations


From the Given statements, we know 1+bk<1 and 0<bk/(1+bk)<1



The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried using comparison test but cannot find anything that's definitely less than bk/(1+bk). Iv'e tried the ratio test but i get stuck with a bunch of bk+1's that I cannot do anything with.


Some help or at least a push in the right direction would be much appreciated. Thank you. I'm also kinda in a rush haha.

You must be in a rush. If bk>0 then 1+bk>1, not 1+bk<1.
 
Hint: try considering separately the cases ##b_k < 1## and ##b_k \geq 1##.
 
Sorry but is there anymore guidance you could give? I keep failing at comparison and ratio test doesn't seem to work because we do not know if bk is decreasing, increasing or oscillating.
 
nevnight13 said:
Sorry but is there anymore guidance you could give? I keep failing at comparison and ratio test doesn't seem to work because we do not know if bk is decreasing, increasing or oscillating.

I'm not an expert and might be wrong, but if you could perhaps derive from the given hint, if ##0<b_k<1##, then what happens with the other series? Does it pass the preliminary test? What happens to the other series if ##b_k \geq 1##?
 
Well, if ##b_k < 1## then ##1 + b_k < 2##.

And if ##b_k \geq 1## then ##2b_k \geq b_k + 1##.

Try using these facts to get a lower bound for the terms of your series in each case.
 
Here is my attempt...:

case 1: bk<1 then 1+bk<2

so bk/(1+bk) > bk/2 so and Ʃ[bk/2] diverges so by comparison Ʃ[bk/(1+bk)] diverges

case 2: bk>=1 then 2bk>bk+1

so Ʃ[bk/2bk] < Ʃ[bk/(1+bk)]
-->Ʃ[1/2] < Ʃ[bk/(1+bk)]
since Ʃ[1/2] diverges Ʃ[bk/(1+bk)] diverges by comparison


I apologize for the bad format.
 
OK, you have the right idea. Your solution is fine in case ##b_k < 1## for all ##k##, or in case ##b_k \geq 1## for all ##k##. But in general, it may be true that ##b_k < 1## for some ##k## and ##b_k \geq 1## for other ##k##. Your proof needs to handle this general situation as well.
 

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