Hardest content to learn for AP Physics C: Electricity & Magnetism

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on identifying the hardest concepts to learn in AP Physics C: Electricity & Magnetism (E&M), particularly for high school students preparing for the exam. Participants explore various challenges associated with the course material, including theoretical and mathematical aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that E&M lacks the intuitive grasp students may have from mechanics, particularly regarding concepts like voltage and capacitance.
  • Mathematical challenges are highlighted, including the reintroduction of vectors, vector fields, and the application of vector calculus, which can confuse students.
  • Participants mention that understanding symmetry is crucial for simplifying problems, but many students struggle to recognize when to apply it.
  • Seeing the overall relationships between formulas is emphasized as important, yet some students may not be interested in the derivations behind them.
  • Magnetism's three-dimensional nature and the use of cross products are pointed out as common visualization challenges for students.
  • One participant suggests that the transition to thinking in three dimensions is a significant barrier for high school students, contrasting it with previous experiences in one-dimensional mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the difficulties of E&M, with no clear consensus on which concepts are the hardest. Multiple competing perspectives on the challenges faced by students remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted, such as the dependence on students' prior knowledge and the potential confusion arising from the mathematical requirements of the course. Specific assumptions about students' familiarity with certain concepts are not fully explored.

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What are some of the hardest concepts to learn in AP E&M? I am going to prepare for the exam with my previous physics teacher. I am currently a senior enrolled in AP Calc BC, and I already took AP Mechanics.
 
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cellist542 said:
What are some of the hardest concepts to learn in AP E&M? I am going to prepare for the exam with my previous physics teacher. I am currently a senior enrolled in AP Calc BC, and I already took AP Mechanics.
So this is calculus-based Advanced Placement E&M at the advanced high school level? Do you have a syllabus of the course that you could post? I can think of some at the lower-division university level, but I'm not sure they are appropriate for an AP high school course...
 
There are a couple of different possibilities.

With E&M, you tend to lose the intuition you could rely on with mechanics. You probably have a good feeling for what 10 meters is, but what is exactly is 10 V? Resistance kind of makes sense, but what are capacitance and inductance?

Mathematics. (1) Vectors will make their appearance again. (2) Not only do vectors appear but the concept of vector fields does as well. (3) Applying the ideas of vector calculus to problems throws many students. (4) RC, RL, and RLC circuits are described by differential equations, which some find confusing. For many students, they're essentially learning physics and the necessary mathematics concurrently.

Recognizing and taking advantages of symmetry seems to be a problem for some students. The problems are much simpler if you use symmetry, but you can't do that unless you see it's there.

Seeing the big picture. It's easy to get lost in a zoo of formulas in intro E&M. If you see how everything is related, though, it can bring order to the apparent chaos. A lot of students, however, aren't terribly interested in learning where a formula comes from.

Magnetism is inherently three-dimensional because it involves cross products. Some people struggle with visualizing situations in three dimensions.
 
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berkeman said:
So this is calculus-based Advanced Placement E&M at the advanced high school level? Do you have a syllabus of the course that you could post? I can think of some at the lower-division university level, but I'm not sure they are appropriate for an AP high school course...
It is a calculus-based course, and I have taken AP Calc AB.

The course has five units:
  • electrostatics
  • conductors, capacitors, dielectrics
  • electric circuits
  • magnetic fields
  • electromagnetism
This is the official course description pdf. Page 18 is a little more specific as to what each unit includes.
 
I think E&M is the first course in physics in high school one has to think seriously in 3-dimensional space with vectors. This is the main barrier which cause confusions. Before that, most students are used to be able to "draw" the solution on a 2-d plane (in fact, most high school mechanics problems are 1-d). But AP physics C E&M one has to get used to do symmetry arguments, right hand rules etc... These things are actually very much closer to how physics is done at an undergraduate level.
 
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