Harmonic Function Homework: Derive 0

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The discussion revolves around deriving a specific expression related to harmonic functions in cylindrical coordinates. The original poster presents a problem involving the Laplacian of a function and its average over a circular path, seeking to show that a certain limit evaluates to zero.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the integration of a derivative and the implications of differentiating under the integral sign. There are attempts to relate the average of the function to its derivatives and to manipulate the expressions to reach the desired result.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the differentiation and integration involved in the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical steps needed to derive the expression, with no explicit consensus on the final outcome yet.

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Participants note the challenge of differentiating expressions involving integrals and the potential confusion surrounding the application of the Laplacian in this context. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their understanding of the differentiation process.

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Homework Statement



Derive that:

[tex]\left[r\frac{\partial\overline{f}}{\partial r}\right]}^{r=R}_{r=0}=0[/tex]


Homework Equations



I have taken the Laplacian [tex]\nabla^{2}f=0[/tex] for a disk in cylindrical co-ordinates and have found that:

[tex]\int^{R}_{0}\int^{2\pi}_{0} \left[\frac{\partial}{\partial r}(r\frac{\partial f}{\partial r})\right] d\varphi dr=0[/tex]

And the definition of the average of the function around the circle of radius r is provided:

[tex]\overline{f}(r)\equiv\frac{1}{2\pi}\int^{2\pi}_{0}f(r,\varphi)d\varphi[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



This ones seems to have me stumped.

I've tried setting

[tex]\int^{2\pi}_{0} \left[\frac{\partial}{\partial r}(r\frac{\partial f}{\partial r})\right] d\varphi = \int^{2\pi}_{0}f(r,\varphi)d\varphi = 2\pi\overline{f}(r)[/tex]

But that didn't seem to be fruitful.

I've tried expanding

[tex]\left[\frac{\partial}{\partial r}(r\frac{\partial f}{\partial r})\right]d\varphi = \frac{\partial f}{\partial r}d\varphi + r\frac{\partial^{2} f}{\partial r^{2}}d\varphi[/tex]

That looks a little bit like a Taylor series but I don't know what to do with it. I've been playing around with the algebra but can't seem to find my break through.
 
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i think you've pretty much got it, just need to work backwards

so you have
[tex]\overline{f}(r)=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int^{2\pi}_{0} f(r,\phi)d\phi[/tex]

differentiate that whole expression w.r.t. r, multiply by r then intergate over r from 0 to R and see what you end up with
 
lanedance said:
i think you've pretty much got it, just need to work backwards

so you have
[tex]\overline{f}(r)=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int^{2\pi}_{0} f(r,\phi)d\phi[/tex]

differentiate that whole expression w.r.t. r, multiply by r then intergate over r from 0 to R and see what you end up with

Thanks lanedance. That seems like a good approach, the reason I didn't try it was because I'm afraid I don't know how to differentiate the expression w.r.t. r. :redface:

Can you offer any assistance please.
 
none of the intergal limits or integrations variables depend on r, so you can directly differentiate under the integral sign
 
Thanks lanedance, I didn't know about differentiating under the integral sign, good stuff!

I think I have the answer, would appreciate feedback as this is not 100% comfortable stuff for me.

So far i get:

1) Use the definition of [tex]\overline{f}(r)\equiv\frac{1}{2\pi}\int^{2\pi}_{0}f(r,\varphi)d\varphi[/tex]

to find [tex](r\frac{\partial \overline{f}}{\partial r}) = \frac{1}{2\pi}\int^{2\pi}_{0} r\frac{\partial f(r,\varphi)}{\partial r} d\varphi[/tex] in terms of [tex]f[/tex]

2) Note that

[tex]\left[r\frac{\partial\overline{f}}{\partial r}\right]}^{r=R}_{r=0}=\int^{R}_{0} \frac{\partial}{\partial r} (r\frac{\partial \overline{f}}{\partial r})dr = \frac{1}{2\pi}\int^{R}_{0}\int^{2\pi}_{0} \frac{\partial}{\partial r} (r\frac{\partial f(r,\varphi)}{\partial r}) d\varphi dr[/tex]

3) Sub in the Laplacian expression [tex]\int^{R}_{0}\int^{2\pi}_{0} \left[\frac{\partial}{\partial r}(r\frac{\partial f}{\partial r})\right] d\varphi dr=0[/tex]

To find that

[tex]\left[r\frac{\partial\overline{f}}{\partial r}\right]}^{r=R}_{r=0}=0[/tex]


QED?
 

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