Harmonic motion - Find the Mass held between two Springs

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving harmonic motion and the calculation of mass held between two springs. Participants are examining the relationships between energy, spring constants, and mass in the context of oscillatory systems.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the energy equations for systems with one and two springs, questioning the application of spring constants and the effective spring constant in calculations. There are discussions about the role of amplitude and how it relates to kinetic energy and potential energy in the system.

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There is an active exploration of different interpretations of the equations involved, particularly regarding the effective spring constant and the relationship between energy and mass. Some participants suggest that the original poster may have made an error in their calculations, while others provide insights into simplifying the problem.

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Participants note that the problem provides specific values such as amplitude and questions how the number of springs affects kinetic energy. There is a mention of the need to consider the total spring constant when dealing with multiple springs.

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E=1/2kA^2=1/2m(wA)^2
So first I find the energy using the eqn (1/2)kA^2. Since there are two springs with the same k I multiply it by two to get kA^2. Energy I get is 2.0475,

Now I use E=(1/2)m(wA)^2 to find mass. Again since there are two springs I use E=m(wA)^2.

m=E/(wA)^2. w=(2(pi))/T btw.

I get the answer of 3.375 when the correct answer is 6.750. Why is it that multiplying my answer by 2 gives me the rights answer? what am i missing here
 

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JoeyBob said:
since there are two springs I use E=m(wA)^2.
Given the mass and velocity, how does the number of springs or their constants affect the KE?
Btw, you don't need to know the amplitude. The calculation can be simplified.
 
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I believe that your error is when you replace ##k_{total~of~the~system}## with ##m\omega^2## in the equation.
 
haruspex said:
Given the mass and velocity, how does the number of springs or their constants affect the KE?
Btw, you don't need to know the amplitude. The calculation can be simplified.
But the question gives amplitude? Kinetic E of a spring would be (1/2)kx^2.
 
Lnewqban said:
I believe that your error is when you replace ##k_{total~of~the~system}## with ##m\omega^2## in the equation.
Isnt E=kA^2=m(wA)^2 for two springs? For one spring it would be E=(1/2)kA^2=(1/2)m(wA)^2 right?
 
JoeyBob said:
Isnt E=kA^2=m(wA)^2 for two springs? For one spring it would be E=(1/2)kA^2=(1/2)m(wA)^2 right?
##E=\frac 12kA^2=\frac 12m(\omega A)^2## is for one spring.
##EPE_{max}=kA^2## is for two springs of constant k because the effective spring constant is 2k.
##KE_{max}=\frac 12mv_{max}^2=\frac 12m(\omega A)^2## because there is still only a mass m, not 2m.
 
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JoeyBob said:
Isnt E=kA^2=m(wA)^2 for two springs? For one spring it would be E=(1/2)kA^2=(1/2)m(wA)^2 right?
If ##\omega=\sqrt {\frac k m}##
the value of that ##k## must be equal to the ##k## of a system of two springs working in series.
Therefore, ##k=k_1+k_2=m\omega^2##

The value of that term ##m\omega^2## is the one to be used in the equation of elastic potential energy.
 

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