Harmonic Oscillator energy = WKB approximate energy why?

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The discussion centers on the WKB approximation in quantum mechanics, specifically its application to the harmonic oscillator and square well problems. Participants explore why the WKB method yields correct eigenvalues for the harmonic oscillator while producing incorrect wavefunctions, and conversely, why it provides correct wavefunctions but incorrect eigenvalues for the square well. The conversation delves into the underlying assumptions and conditions of the WKB approximation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the WKB approximation gives correct eigenvalues for the harmonic oscillator due to the potential being a quadratic function, which is close to linear near the turning points.
  • Others argue that the WKB approximation is not required to reproduce exact eigenvalues and wavefunctions, suggesting that any coincidences are coincidental.
  • It is mentioned that WKB solutions converge to exact solutions as the quantum number n increases, implying a relationship between n and the accuracy of the approximation.
  • One participant emphasizes that the initial approximation for energy levels in the harmonic oscillator is sufficiently precise, leading to occasional coincidences with exact values.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the WKB approximation's accuracy and its implications for the harmonic oscillator and square well problems. No consensus is reached regarding a rigorous explanation for the observed behaviors.

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Participants discuss the limitations of the WKB approximation, particularly its validity at turning points and the nature of corrections to energy levels. The discussion highlights the dependence on the specific forms of the potentials involved.

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Hi,

Why is it that the WKB approximation produces the correct eigenvalues for the Harmonic Oscillator problem, but the wrong wavefunctions, whereas for the square well, we get correct wavefunctions and the wrong eigenvalues?

I've been trying to dig through the approximations we make in deriving the WKB expressions. The quantization rule that gives the correct eigenvalue for the harmonic oscillator is derived under the condition that near the turning points, the potential can be expanded as a linear function. And V(x) for the SHO is a quadratic function, the "next best" to a linear function.

Can we give a more rigorous reason for this?

Thanks.
 
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maverick280857 said:
Hi,

Why is it that the WKB approximation produces the correct eigenvalues for the Harmonic Oscillator problem, but the wrong wavefunctions, whereas for the square well, we get correct wavefunctions and the wrong eigenvalues?

I've been trying to dig through the approximations we make in deriving the WKB expressions. The quantization rule that gives the correct eigenvalue for the harmonic oscillator is derived under the condition that near the turning points, the potential can be expanded as a linear function. And V(x) for the SHO is a quadratic function, the "next best" to a linear function.

Can we give a more rigorous reason for this?

Thanks.

In fact, the WKB approximation is not obliged to reproduce the exact eigenvalues and wave functions. It is by chance that some of that coincides with the exact ones. But WKB solutions converge quickly to the exact solutions when n increases.

In case of oscillator, the wave functions are always approximate since they are never valid at the turning points.

In case of a square well with infinitely high walls, the wave function is valid (=0) at the boundary points, so it may coincide with the exact ones.

Bob.
 
Thanks for your reply Bob.

Bob_for_short said:
In fact, the WKB approximation is not obliged to reproduce the exact eigenvalues and wave functions. It is by chance that some of that coincides with the exact ones. But WKB solutions converge quickly to the exact solutions when n increases.

And that is precisely why I want to know why it should "work" for the SHO. I wanted to understand if this chance coincidence can be rigorized.
 
maverick280857 said:
Thanks for your reply Bob. And that is precisely why I want to know why it should "work" for the SHO. I wanted to understand if this chance coincidence can be rigorized.

This is simple: the initial approximation is sufficiently precise. In other words, the higher order WKB corrections to the energy level are very small (1/(pi^2 or so). Here I speak of corrections at a given n. So anyway the initial approximation of E_n is not so far from the exact level. That is why it may occasionally coincide with the exact one.

Bob.
 
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