Harmonic Oscillator: Impulse needed to counteract energy loss

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a grandfather clock's pendulum and its escapement mechanism, focusing on the impulse required to maintain the pendulum's motion against energy loss due to friction. The context includes concepts from harmonic motion, energy conservation, and the quality factor (Q) of the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial and final energy calculations, questioning the inclusion of potential energy and the definition of time intervals. Some suggest simplifying the problem by considering the implications of a large Q factor and relating energy loss per cycle to the initial energy.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations and suggestions for approaching the calculations. Participants are providing guidance on how to express energy loss in terms of the Q factor and are considering the implications of the assumptions made in the problem setup.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential typographical errors in the energy equations and express concern about the correct interpretation of time intervals in relation to the pendulum's motion. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the approach to finding the impulse needed to sustain the pendulum's motion.

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Homework Statement



The pendulum of a grandfather clock activates an escapement mechanism every time it passes
through the vertical. The escapement is under tension (provided by a hanging weight) and gives the
pendulum a small impulse a distance l from the pivot. The energy transferred by this impulse
compensates for the energy dissipated by friction, so that the pendulum swings with a constant
amplitude.
a) What is the impulse needed to sustain the motion of a pendulum of length L and mass m, with
an amplitude of swing θ_0 and quality factor Q? You can assume Q is large and θ_0 is small

Homework Equations



\ddot{θ}+2β\dot{θ}+(ω_0)^2θ=0 where θ(t)=exp[-βt][θ_0cos(ω_1t)+\frac{βθ_0}{ω_1}sin(ω_1t)] from initial conditions θ(0)=θ_0 and \dot{θ(0)}=0

(ω_0)^2 \equiv \frac{mgL}{I}, I =mL^2, 2β \equiv \frac{b}{I}

The Attempt at a Solution



Okay so first I calculated the initial energy: E_i = \frac{1}{2}m(ω_0)^2L^2[θ_0]^2

Next I calculated the energy at a time t_0 later: E_f = \frac{1}{2}mL^2[\dot{θ(t_0)}]^2

Then I took the change in energy: ΔE_- = E_f-E_i = \frac{1}{2}mL^2[[\dot{θ(t_0)}]^2-(ω_0θ_0)^2]

In order to offset this change in energy I need to add an energy ΔE_+ such that ΔE_-=ΔE_+.

So I'll let ΔE_+ = \frac{1}{2}ml^2[Δ\dot{θ}]^2

Since ΔE_-=ΔE_+ → \frac{1}{2}mL^2[[\dot{θ(t_0)}]^2-(ω_0θ_0)^2] = \frac{1}{2}ml^2[Δ\dot{θ}]^2

so Δ\dot{θ} = \frac{L}{l}\sqrt{[[\dot{θ(t_0)}]^2-(ω_0θ_0)^2]}

Now in order to find the impulse Δp: \|\vec{ΔL}\|=\|\vec{r}\|\|\vec{Δp}\|(1) = IΔ\dot{θ} → Δp = \frac{mL^2}{l}Δ\dot{θ}

So finally I have Δp = \frac{mL^3}{l^2}\sqrt{[[\dot{θ(t_0)}]^2-(ω_0θ_0)^2]}

I have a feeling I made a mistake in choosing my ΔE_+ any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Are you making this too hard, because you haven't used
You can assume ##Q## is large

You could take that assumption as meaning the motion over one cycle is approximately the same as undamped SHM, and then find the work done by the damping force.

Your solution looks like it will be exact for any value of Q, if you manage to finish it.
 
Wavefunction said:
Okay so first I calculated the initial energy: E_i = \frac{1}{2}m(ω_0)L^2[θ_0]^2

Check to see if there's a typographical error above. The right hand side does not appear to have the dimensions of energy.

Next I calculated the energy at a time t_0 later: E_f = \frac{1}{2}mL^2[\dot{θ(t_0)}]^2

I'm not sure what time ##t_0## refers to.

I agree with AlephZero that you might be making it more difficult than necessary.

It appears that they want the answer expressed in terms of the Q factor. Considering the definition of Q factor, can you express the energy lost per cycle in terms of Q and the initial energy?
 
AlephZero said:
Are you making this too hard, because you haven't used


You could take that assumption as meaning the motion over one cycle is approximately the same as undamped SHM, and then find the work done by the damping force.

Your solution looks like it will be exact for any value of Q, if you manage to finish it.

I thought about that, but in the solution that my professor gave it did not use the Q factor at all.
 
TSny said:
Check to see if there's a typographical error above. The right hand side does not appear to have the dimensions of energy.



I'm not sure what time ##t_0## refers to.

I agree with AlephZero that you might be making it more difficult than necessary.

It appears that they want the answer expressed in terms of the Q factor. Considering the definition of Q factor, can you express the energy lost per cycle in terms of Q and the initial energy?

My apologies it should read for the initial energy E_i = \frac{1}{2}m(ω_0)^2L^2[θ_0]^2. Also, t_0 is a general time during the oscillation of the pendulum. I'm really concerned as to whether my choice for ΔE_+ was correct because my answer looks quite different from the one my professor got in class. The reason why I want to know is because I wouldn't necessarily think to solve it the exact way my professor did.
 
Wavefunction said:
My apologies it should read for the initial energy E_i = \frac{1}{2}m(ω_0)^2L^2[θ_0]^2.
Good.

Also, t_0 is a general time during the oscillation of the pendulum.

If ##t_0## is a general time, then shouldn't the expression for the energy at time ##t_0## include potential energy as well as kinetic energy? If you look at your expression for ##E_f## at time ##t_0##, it appears to include only kinetic energy.

But I'm not sure how you are going to get to the answer with this approach. Since, the Q factor is assumed given, you should be able to find an expression for the amount of energy that must be transferred to the pendulum each cycle. Then deduce what the impulse should be to provide that energy. (You should consider how many impulses there are each cylce.)

Note, each time the impulse acts, it can be considered as acting over a very small (almost infinitesimal) time interval at the moment the pendulum is vertical. At least, that's how I interpret the problem.
 
TSny said:
Good.



If ##t_0## is a general time, then shouldn't the expression for the energy at time ##t_0## include potential energy as well as kinetic energy? If you look at your expression for ##E_f## at time ##t_0##, it appears to include only kinetic energy.

But I'm not sure how you are going to get to the answer with this approach. Since, the Q factor is assumed given, you should be able to find an expression for the amount of energy that must be transferred to the pendulum each cycle. Then deduce what the impulse should be to provide that energy. (You should consider how many impulses there are each cylce.)

Note, each time the impulse acts, it can be considered as acting over a very small (almost infinitesimal) time interval at the moment the pendulum is vertical. At least, that's how I interpret the problem.
Ah yes, I believe that's where I went wrong I should have let t_0 be the time of a half cycle so the final energy contains only potential energy.
 
When ##\theta## is at its the maximum value, the kinetic energy = 0 so the total energy in the system = the gravitational potential energy of the mass.

I would use that fact, and then use the definition of Q in the link in post #3.

If your prof did it the hard way by solving the equation of motion, that's his problem not yours :smile:
 

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