Harmonic Oscillator Problem (Classical, yet strangely quantum-like)

In summary, the problem involves finding the order of magnitude of the quantum number associated with the energy of a harmonic oscillator consisting of a 1 g mass on a spring with a frequency of 1 Hz and a velocity of 10 cm/s. The solution involves using the eigenenergy formula and equating it with the energy of the system. The resulting quantum number is a very large number, approximately 10^27. In the associated problem, the task is to find the average spacing between zeroes of an eigenstate with the quantum number from the previous problem. The solution involves using the nth Hermite polynomial and finding the spacing as n approaches infinity, which would be very close to zero. Overall, the calculations and methods used are correct.
  • #1
Domnu
178
0
Problem
A harmonic oscillator consists of a mass of [tex] 1 g[/tex] on a spring. Its frequency is [tex]1 Hz[/tex] and the mass passes through the equilibrium position with a velocity of [tex]10 cm/s[/tex]. What is the order of magnitude of the quantum number associated with the energy of the system?

Solution?
Okay, so the eigenenergies associated with a harmonic oscillator are of the form

[tex]E_n = \hbar \omega_0 \left (n + \frac{1}{2}\right)[/tex]​

So, here, we have that [tex]\omega_0 = 2\pi Hz[/tex]. Now, we know that the energy of the system is (nonrelativistically, because the speeds are very small...)

[tex] 1/2 m v^2 = 5 \cdot 10^{-6} J[/tex]​

Now, we equate this with the eigenenergy formula, which gives us that the quantum number, [tex]n = 7.54594 \cdot 10^{27}[/tex], which is a ridiculously large number. So the magnitude would be [tex]\box{27}[/tex]. Now I am guessing that such a large order of magnitude is fine since a one gram object (which is decently sized... say the density of water) in quantum mechanics is massive (like the size of the sun, compared to us). Is my answer, and more importantly, my method, correct?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Your method is correct and your numbers look fine. (I got 7.8 X10^27, but I rounded a little.)

Good job.:smile:
 
  • #3
Very good. Thanks for verifying :smile:
 
  • #4
Associated Problem

Here, let's say that the eigenstate corresponding to this function is [tex]\varphi_n[/tex]. What is the average spacing between zeroes of an eigenstate with the quantum number of this problem?

Solution
We know that the quantum eigenstate of [tex]n[/tex] is represented by

[tex]\varphi_n (x) = A_n \mathbb{H}_n e^{-\zeta^2 / 2}[/tex]​

where [tex]\zeta = \beta x[/tex] and [tex]\beta^2 = m\cdot \omega_0 / \hbar[/tex] and [tex]\mathbb{H}_n[/tex] denotes the nth Hermite polynomial. Now, we are just trying to find the spacing (in cm) of the zeros of nth Hermite polynomial as n goes to infinity (and of course, we divide this by sqrt(2^n * n! * sqrt(pi)) )... but wouldn't this grow arbitrarily close to zero as n approaches infinity? We can see this, because the roots of the Hermite polynomial get farther apart polynomially, but we are dividing the result by some higher-than-exponential order function (sqrt 2^n ...) So, the spacing in centimeters would be a number very close to zero (it may as well be zero in this case... we are dividing the spacing of the 10^28th Hermite polynomial by ((10^28)! * 2^28)... just as a comment, the number we are dividing by is unfathomably high... just as a statistic, the lower bound for its order of magnitude is (10^27)... not just 27. (oh my gods)

Is my above calculation correct?
 

1. What is a Harmonic Oscillator?

A Harmonic Oscillator is a physical system that exhibits periodic motion, where the restoring force is directly proportional to the displacement from the equilibrium position. It is often represented by a mass attached to a spring.

2. What is the classical solution to the Harmonic Oscillator problem?

The classical solution to the Harmonic Oscillator problem is described by the equation x(t) = A*cos(ωt + φ), where x is the displacement, A is the amplitude, ω is the angular frequency, and φ is the phase.

3. How is the Harmonic Oscillator problem related to quantum mechanics?

The Harmonic Oscillator problem is related to quantum mechanics through the concept of quantization, where the energy levels of the system are discrete rather than continuous. This leads to the quantization of the energy levels of the Harmonic Oscillator, resulting in the strange quantum-like behavior.

4. What is the significance of the zero-point energy in the Harmonic Oscillator problem?

The zero-point energy is the lowest possible energy level of a quantum mechanical system. In the Harmonic Oscillator problem, it represents the minimum energy that the system can possess, even at absolute zero temperature. This is due to the quantization of energy levels in the system.

5. How is the Harmonic Oscillator problem used in real-world applications?

The Harmonic Oscillator problem has numerous applications in real-world systems, such as in mechanical engineering, electrical circuits, and quantum computing. It is also used in theoretical physics to model more complex systems and study their behavior.

Similar threads

  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
21
Views
2K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
5K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
4
Views
2K
Back
Top