Harmonic Oscillator Problem (Classical, yet strangely quantum-like)

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The discussion revolves around a harmonic oscillator problem involving a mass on a spring, with a focus on its quantum mechanical properties. Participants explore the relationship between classical mechanics and quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the energy levels of the system and the implications of large quantum numbers.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the quantum number associated with the energy of a harmonic oscillator and questions the validity of their method and results. Other participants confirm the correctness of the calculations presented.
  • Another participant introduces a related problem concerning the average spacing between zeros of an eigenstate and raises questions about the behavior of these zeros as the quantum number increases.

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The discussion includes confirmations of calculations and methods, with participants engaging in verification of results. There is an exploration of the implications of large quantum numbers and the behavior of eigenstates, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants note the unusual size of the quantum number in relation to the mass of the oscillator, prompting discussions about the nature of quantum mechanics as it applies to macroscopic objects. There is also mention of the complexity involved in calculating the spacing of zeros in Hermite polynomials, highlighting the challenges of working with large quantum numbers.

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A harmonic oscillator consists of a mass of [tex]1 g[/tex] on a spring. Its frequency is [tex]1 Hz[/tex] and the mass passes through the equilibrium position with a velocity of [tex]10 cm/s[/tex]. What is the order of magnitude of the quantum number associated with the energy of the system?

Solution?
Okay, so the eigenenergies associated with a harmonic oscillator are of the form

[tex]E_n = \hbar \omega_0 \left (n + \frac{1}{2}\right)[/tex]​

So, here, we have that [tex]\omega_0 = 2\pi Hz[/tex]. Now, we know that the energy of the system is (nonrelativistically, because the speeds are very small...)

[tex]1/2 m v^2 = 5 \cdot 10^{-6} J[/tex]​

Now, we equate this with the eigenenergy formula, which gives us that the quantum number, [tex]n = 7.54594 \cdot 10^{27}[/tex], which is a ridiculously large number. So the magnitude would be [tex]\box{27}[/tex]. Now I am guessing that such a large order of magnitude is fine since a one gram object (which is decently sized... say the density of water) in quantum mechanics is massive (like the size of the sun, compared to us). Is my answer, and more importantly, my method, correct?
 
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Your method is correct and your numbers look fine. (I got 7.8 X10^27, but I rounded a little.)

Good job.:smile:
 
Very good. Thanks for verifying :smile:
 
Associated Problem

Here, let's say that the eigenstate corresponding to this function is [tex]\varphi_n[/tex]. What is the average spacing between zeroes of an eigenstate with the quantum number of this problem?

Solution
We know that the quantum eigenstate of [tex]n[/tex] is represented by

[tex]\varphi_n (x) = A_n \mathbb{H}_n e^{-\zeta^2 / 2}[/tex]​

where [tex]\zeta = \beta x[/tex] and [tex]\beta^2 = m\cdot \omega_0 / \hbar[/tex] and [tex]\mathbb{H}_n[/tex] denotes the nth Hermite polynomial. Now, we are just trying to find the spacing (in cm) of the zeros of nth Hermite polynomial as n goes to infinity (and of course, we divide this by sqrt(2^n * n! * sqrt(pi)) )... but wouldn't this grow arbitrarily close to zero as n approaches infinity? We can see this, because the roots of the Hermite polynomial get farther apart polynomially, but we are dividing the result by some higher-than-exponential order function (sqrt 2^n ...) So, the spacing in centimeters would be a number very close to zero (it may as well be zero in this case... we are dividing the spacing of the 10^28th Hermite polynomial by ((10^28)! * 2^28)... just as a comment, the number we are dividing by is unfathomably high... just as a statistic, the lower bound for its order of magnitude is (10^27)... not just 27. (oh my gods)

Is my above calculation correct?
 

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