Harmonic Oscillator wave function

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The discussion revolves around the quantum harmonic oscillator, specifically focusing on the wave function and the application of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle to compute the product of uncertainties, ΔxΔp. Participants are exploring the mathematical aspects of expectation values and integrals related to the wave function.

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  • Participants discuss how to compute ΔxΔp, with questions about the necessary integrals and limits. There is a focus on finding expectation values for x² and p², and the implications of the results on the uncertainty product.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on the integration process and the forms of the integrals involved. There are multiple interpretations regarding the results of ΔxΔp, with some participants questioning the independence of the result from α and others suggesting a review of intermediate calculations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and the properties of the quantum harmonic oscillator. There is an ongoing exploration of the limits of integration and the behavior of the wave function at infinity.

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Uncertainty - Harmonic Oscillator

The Wave function for the ground state of a quantum harmonic oscillator is
<br /> \psi=(\alpha/\pi)^{1/4}e^{-\alpha x^2/2}<br /> where \alpha = \sqrt{ mk/ \hbar^2}.

Compute \Delta x \Delta pknown:
Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle:
\Delta p \Delta x &gt;= \hbar/2

In order to compute \Delta x \Delta p, what do I need to do? any integral?
 
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Well done - but I think that is already known to science.
Or did you have a further question about it?
 
My question is how to find \Delta x \Delta p
 
You'll want to find the expectation values of x^2 and p^2 (since the expectation values of x and p are zero), and take their square roots. These are your deltas. So yes, you have to integrate to find <psi|x^2|psi> and <psi|p^2|psi>.
 
Just to be pedantic, \Delta x^2 = \langle x^2 \rangle - \langle x \rangle^2. Just that in this case, \langle x \rangle = 0.
 
Thanks guys,
but how the <x> and <p> are zero, could you please help me for integral part, what is the limits of integral in this case?
 
The limits on the integral are +/- infinity. And both integrals have the general form of an integral of x*exp(-K*x^2). So the integrand is an odd function. It's integral is zero.
 
ok, I find &lt;x^2&gt; =1/2\alpha what should I do for <p^2>
p=-i*hbar ?
 
Uh, p=-i*hbar*d/dx. You need to apply that operator twice to psi since you are finding <psi|p^2|psi>. Your <x^2> looks good.
 
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I found \Delta x \Delta p=\hbar/\sqrt {2}
which means \Delta x \Delta p is independent from the value of alpha, what do you think? somehow I think I should have gotten \Delta x \Delta p=\hbar/2
 
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You did really well, except yes, you should have gotten hbar/2. I did. Can you find the missing sqrt(2)? I can check intermediate results if you want to post them.
 
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Thanks for the reply, I think I found the missing sqrt(2)
 
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diegoarmando said:
Thanks for the reply, I think I found the missing sqrt(2)

Well done.
 

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