(has been resolved):Integral to find elbow volume

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of an elbow using integral methods, specifically focusing on the correct formulation of the cross-sectional area based on the diameter provided.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the correct expression for the area of the circular cross-section, debating whether it should be based on the diameter or the radius. There are multiple interpretations of the integral setup and the resulting volume calculation.

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Participants have offered various approaches to the problem, including straightening the elbow to simplify the volume calculation. There is ongoing clarification regarding the area of the cross-section, with some participants affirming the correctness of certain expressions while others question the assumptions made.

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There is mention of potential confusion due to the use of LaTeX and the interpretation of the given diameter as it relates to the radius in the calculations. The discussion reflects a mix of confirmed and disputed elements regarding the setup of the integral.

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Homework Statement
to find elbow volume
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volume integral
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Please help me to understand which answer is correct.
I use the integral method to find the elbow volume as follows:
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But my book say:
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The area of the circular cross-section of diameter r shown in the integral is not correct, it should be ##\pi(r)^2/4##
 
Lnewqban said:
The area of the circular cross-section of diameter r shown in the integral is not correct, it should be ##\pi(r)^2/4##
i think it should be ##\pi(2r)^2/4##
 
tracker890 Source h said:
i think it should be ##\pi(2r)^2/4##
Think again…
The r that has been given to you is the diameter of the cross-section of the elbow.
Therefore, the area of that section should be π times the radius of that section, which in your case is r/2.
Then,
##\pi(r/2)^2=\pi(r)^2/4##
 
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Another way to do it, leading to the same result of ##2.3562*r^3## that is shown in the book:
Straightening the elbow until it becomes a cylinder, its length should be equal to the perimeter of the center line of the elbow.
As the perimeter of that line is ##2\pi(radius~to~center)/4##, then
##Length=2\pi(1.5r)/4##
##Volume=Area~*~Length##
##Volume=(\pi/4)[(r^2)(2)(1.5)(r)]=(3/4)\pi(r^3)##
 
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Lnewqban said:
Another way to do it, leading to the same result of ##2.3562*r^3## that is shown in the book:
Straightening the elbow until it becomes a cylinder, its length should be equal to the perimeter of the center line of the elbow.
As the perimeter of that line is ##2\pi(radius~to~center)/4##, then
##Length=2\pi(1.5r)/4##
##Volume=Area~*~Length##
##Volume=(\pi/4)[(r^2)(2)(1.5)(r)]=(3/4)\pi(r^3)##
Shouldn’t there be another π/4?
 
Frabjous said:
Shouldn’t there be another π/4?
Perhaps.
I am very clumsy working with LaTeX.

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Lnewqban said:
Perhaps.
I am very clumsy working with LaTeX.

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Your answer is correct.
The cross section area = ##\pi \text{(}\frac{r}{2}\text{)}^2##
$$
\forall _{elbow}=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}{A\left( 1.5r \right) d\theta =}\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}{\left( \pi \text{(}\frac{r}{2}\text{)}^2 \right) \left( \frac{3}{2}r \right) d\theta =\text{(}\frac{\pi r^2}{4}\text{)}\left( \frac{3}{2}r \right) \left( \frac{\pi}{2} \right)}=\frac{3}{16}\pi ^2r^3
$$
 
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Lnewqban said:
Think again…
The r that has been given to you is the diameter of the cross-section of the elbow.
Therefore, the area of that section should be π times the radius of that section, which in your case is r/2.
Then,
##\pi(r/2)^2=\pi(r)^2/4##
Yes!
Your answer is correct.
 
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