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The problem involves determining the change in power output of a solar panel based on its angle relative to the sun over a specific time interval. The context includes the relationship between time and angle, as well as the derivative of power with respect to angle.

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  • Participants discuss how to find the angles corresponding to specific times and the implications of the derivative provided. There are questions about the relevance of the derivative value and how it relates to the change in power over the time interval.

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A solar panel outputs P(θ) watts when the angle between the sun and the panel is θ for 0 ≤ θ ≤ π. On any day, the angle between the panel and sun t hours after 6 a.m. is θ(t) for 0 ≤ t ≤ 14. Assume that sunrise is at 6 a.m. and sunset is 8 p.m.

Suppose dP/dθ (2π/3) = 12 and θ(t) = arcsin(t/7 - 1) + π/2

Find the change in power for the panel between 4:30pm-5:30pm.

I'm not asking any of you to do the problem for me, I just need some guidance as how to start.

Thanks everyone :)
 
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I would first find the angles which correspond to 4:30 pm and to 5:30 pm.
 
Well, t = 10.5 would be 4:30pm, and t = 11.5 would be 5:30pm

So, since θ(t) = arcsin(t/7 - 1) + π/2

θ(10.5) = arcsin(10.5/7 - 1) + π/2
and
θ(11.5) = arcsin(11.5/7 - 1) + π/2
 
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triple bump! anyone? having real trouble with this one...
 
What's theta exactly ? You need 2 numbers. Then use the remaining data in your problem.
 
θ(10.5) = 2.0944
and
θ(11.5) = 2.2690

Now, I think I would simply need to plug these numbers into P(θ), but why do they tell me that dP/dθ (2π/3) = 12?
 
Is this wrong? Sorry, I just want to be done with this problem :(
 
  • #10
Hmmm...\theta (10.5) = \arcsin (0.5) + \frac{\pi}{2} = \frac{\pi}{6} + \frac{\pi}{2} = \frac{2\pi}{3}. Now assume that the rate you're given at this angle is constant throughout the hour.
 
  • #11
Does this mean that the change in power is equal to 12 when theta moves from 10.5 to 11.5?
 
  • #12
No, it's 12 times the difference between the 2 angles.
 
  • #13
Let me understand this intuitively...

dP/dθ (2π/3) = 12 tells us that (since 2pi/3 = 10.5) when we move from 10.5 to 11.5, the change in power will be equal to the power at 10.5 = 2pi/3 - the power at 11.5 = 2.269 * 12

So:

(P(11.5) - P(10.5))(12)

Correct?
 
  • #14
From a calculus perspective, let P denote the power output you need. Then

P= \int_{\theta(10.5)}^{\theta(11.5)} \frac{dP(\theta)}{d\theta} {}d\theta = 12 \cdot (\theta(11.5)-\theta(10.5)),

assuming the rate is kept constant between 4:30 pm and 5:30 pm.
 
  • #15
Thank you, dextercioby, I appreciate your help greatly!
 

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