Heat Transfer and Heat added to a system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the heat transfer process in an object placed in a surrounding environment with a higher temperature. Participants explore the dynamics of heat gain by the object, particularly focusing on the role of the surface layer and the distribution of internal energy within the object over time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that when an object at a constant temperature of 20 °C is placed in a 25 °C environment, heat transfer occurs via convection, leading to a potential increase in the object's temperature to 25 °C over time.
  • Another participant argues that while the surface of the object initially gains heat, it simultaneously loses some heat to the core, suggesting that the energy gained at the surface will be less than the total heat transfer due to this distribution process.
  • There is a mention of the dynamic nature of heat flow, indicating that as the core temperature rises, the rate of heat flow into the object changes, complicating the analysis of when the object reaches thermal equilibrium.
  • A later reply confirms that the energy gained at the surface will indeed be distributed throughout the object, questioning where else that energy could go.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specifics of heat distribution and the dynamics of heat transfer over time. While there is agreement that energy gained at the surface is distributed, the extent and implications of this distribution remain contested.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexities of heat transfer in dynamic situations, including the need for steady-state conditions for clearer understanding. Participants note the importance of defining how close to thermal equilibrium is considered acceptable.

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Let's say the temperature of an object is constant and equal to 20 °C. If we put this object to a surrounding which has a temperature of 25 °C, than there's heat transfer from the surrounding to object by convection. If q is the heat transfer (in Watt) than after a specific time (Δt) we will have Temperature of the object equal to 25 °C ( If we consider the temperature of the surrounding constant) and thus we will have a net heat transfer equal to Q = qxΔt if q is constant. My question is, if we consider a 1D heat transfer, the surface of the object exposed to the surrounding will get the heat and thus will receive each dt the amount of heat q( q is measured like a current, in a cross section of the object) then will gain as internal energy DU = q but we say that all the object gained the heat q not only the surface exposed to the surrounding. Can we say, first the surface of the object exposed will gain an internal energy equal to q (increasing its temperature) and thus "distributing" its energy "uniformly" to the other parts of the object so we can say that all the object gained DU as energy ?

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tonyjk said:
Can we say, first the surface of the object exposed will gain an internal energy equal to q (increasing its temperature) and thus "distributing" its energy "uniformly" to the other parts of the object so we can say that all the object gained DU as energy ?

Clearly all the heat gained by the object must go through the surface. So if the object as a whole gains energy q as then that energy must have gone through the surface "first". However you can't say that after time t the surface layer will have gained an amount q because it also looses heat to the core of the object in the same time t. In other words after time t the energy in the surface layer will be less than q as some has been distributed.

The problem with your example is that you have a dynamic situation where the heat flowing changes with time. For example as the core temperature rises the heat flowing in reduces. The objects temperature would be asymptotic to 25C. If you want to know when it reaches 25C you would have to decide how close to 25C is close enough. I think it might be easier to read up and understand heat flow under steady state conditions before looking at the situation you describe. It's easier to see what's going on.
 
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CWatters said:
However you can't say that after time t the surface layer will have gained an amount q because it also looses heat to the core of the object in the same time t. In other words after time t the energy in the surface layer will be less than q as some has been distributed.
Great so all the energy gained at the surface will be "distributed" to the object right?
 
Yes. Where else can it go?
 
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