Heat transfer between two iron blocks

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The discussion revolves around heat transfer between two iron blocks, focusing on the calculation of the final temperature after thermal interaction. The subject area includes thermodynamics and heat transfer principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different methods to calculate the final temperature, with initial attempts involving averaging temperatures. Questions arise regarding the relevance of specific equations and the physical principles behind heat transfer.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the appropriate equations to use, with some guidance provided on the concept of heat transfer. There is recognition that the initial approach may not account for the differing masses of the blocks, and further clarification is sought on the physical meaning of the quantities involved.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the specific equations applicable to the problem, as it originated from a practice test. Participants are also questioning the assumptions made in their calculations and the relationship between the heat gained and lost by the blocks.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


I'm not sure.

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to solve this as you would with electric charges. I added up the temperatures and then divided by 2, to get (C) 17.5 degrees Celsius. The answer key gives the answer as (D) 20.0 degrees Celsius. I'm not sure what equations you would use to get this.
 
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Please try to figure out the relevant equations. This problem was not assigned to you out of the blue. It must have come at the end of a textbook chapter or lecture notes that surely contain some equations. Nevertheless, you can see why your answer is wrong because adding the temperatures and dividing by two will give the same final temperature regardless of the masses of the blocks. Does that sound reasonable? Hint: Yes, the final temperature is indeed some kind of average, but not the sum of temperatures divided by two.
 
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It won't be the average temperature because the masses aren't the same. However don't think your approach is totally wrong.
 
Is q=mct the relevant equation? This question came from a practice test, so I'm not sure of the actual equation.

I tried setting mc(T-10) and 2mc(T-25) equal to each other, but got 40 for T. What am I doing wrong?
 
The correct expression is ##Q=mc~\Delta T##, where ##\Delta T## is the change in temperature, final minus initial. Why do you think the quantities you set equal are equal? What is physically going on here?
 
Q=mc ΔT

ΔT1= change in temperature for mass m
ΔT2= change in temperature for mass 2m

mcΔT1= 2mcΔT2
ΔT1=2ΔT2

The only answer which fits this is D, but I'm not sure how to calculate the temperature outright.
 
ardour said:
mcΔT1=2mcΔT2
Can you explain in plain English and without symbols or equations what the two quantities that you are setting equal represent and why you think they are equal?

On Edit (Generous hint): Q stands for the heat gained by the mass. One mass gains heat heat, the other loses heat.
 

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