Heating a 7 cm long copper wire of cross sectional diameter .75mm

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the requirements for heating a 7 cm long copper wire with a diameter of 0.75 mm to a temperature of 400-450°C within a timeframe of 2-3 seconds. Participants explore various aspects including voltage requirements, resistance calculations, power supply options, and methods for measuring temperature.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the project context and requests details on the wire's resistance and the type of power supply to be used.
  • Another participant suggests that using copper as a heating element may not be ideal and recommends nichrome instead, proposing the use of a step-down transformer for high current and low voltage.
  • There is a discussion about the feasibility of generating high temperatures using DC current, with one participant providing a resistance value of 11.76/10^8 ohms.
  • Some participants propose using a current source instead of a voltage source to better manage low resistance issues and contact resistances.
  • Another participant mentions that knowing the current and measuring the voltage drop across the wire can help determine its temperature, referencing the temperature coefficient of resistance.
  • One participant emphasizes the complexity of the problem, noting that power dissipation and heat loss must be considered, and suggests using AC with transformers for better control.
  • There is speculation that the project might involve creating a foam cutter, with a suggestion to use nichrome wire from a broken toaster.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the suitability of copper versus nichrome for heating applications, and there is no consensus on the best method to achieve the desired temperature within the specified timeframe. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding resistance, power supply types, and measurement techniques, but these assumptions are not universally agreed upon or fully explored.

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hi guys,
m a lil stuck here
what voltage would be rquired to heat a 7cm long copper wire of .75mm diameter in about 2-3 seconds.the target temp is 400-450c.

dr ankit
 
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Can you please describe the entire project that uses this 7 cm wire? What is the resistance of that copper wire? What kind of conductors do you plan to connect to that length of copper wire to carry the current? What power supply do you use? How will you measure the target temperature?
 
power supply can be ac/dc whatever...can we generate that high temp using dc current?i did some research.the resistance will be 11.76/10^8ohms.still trying to find out how to measure the temperature
 
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If you are trying to make a heating element I would suggest you use something other than copper. Nichrome is pretty common for that purpose.

If it has to be that short, therefore low resistance, you will need to use something like a step down transformer for high current, low voltage. Is there any reason you cannot use a transformer hooked to the AC mains? That would be the easiest.

If you connected it via a variac you could adjust the temperature to exactly whatever you need. Probably easier to do cut and try than to calculate the temperature.

DC

Additional thought: a bunch of "D" cells hooked in parallel might work. Car battery would be way to much voltage.

If this is just a paper problem on a test or whatever...never mind all of the above.
 
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If you really do have to use such a low resistance then you may be better to use a current source rather than a voltage source. Contact resistances would not then be the same problem.
 
If you use a highish supply voltage and a series resistor that is much higher than the load then the current can be defined much better because the % variation of total resistance due to contact is less.
This is at the expense of wasting power but will give the current you want.
The same thing can be done using switch mode solid state.
 
While you are pushing current through the copper wire, for as long as you know the current going though it and for as long as you can measure the voltage drop across the wire, you can determine its temperature, you just need to know the resistance of the wire before you heat it up, like at room temperature...read up on "temperature coefficient of resistance"...actually, I think I may have posted about it some time ago...search.
 
Actually, this is a hard problem, if you want an accurate solution. The power dissipation needs to be perhaps a Watt or so and, from experience of burned fingers, I'd say that would need around 5A but the temperature reached would depend a lot on the surroundings and heat loss.
I think the best solution would be to use AC, from a very few turns of thick wire on a transformer with only a few volts on its primary - i.e. you may need two step down transformers if the turns per volt on your mains transformer are too high - making the voltage steps too coarse. You would need a really thick conductor, bonded very well to your wire or the contact resistance will dominate.

Hang on , Is this just a foam cutter that you're planning to make? The nichrome wire from a broken toaster in a skip would cost nothing.
 

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