Heating Effect of Electric Current-Transmit at High Voltage

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The discussion revolves around the inefficiency of low voltage in electricity transmission, particularly in relation to Joule's Law and heat loss. Participants explore the implications of voltage and current on power transmission efficiency.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to connect various formulas related to power, resistance, and heat loss, questioning how these relate to the choice of high voltage for transmission. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between voltage, current, and heat loss in the context of Joule's Law.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the relationship between voltage and current, suggesting that higher voltage allows for lower current, which in turn reduces heat loss. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the application of formulas and the underlying principles, with participants seeking further clarification on these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions and implications of equivalent resistance in the context of city power delivery versus transmission lines, as well as the assumptions made about the circuit components.

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Homework Statement


Why is it inefficient to use low voltage when transmitting electricity?

Homework Equations


P∝i2
P=Vi
H=Vit
P=Ri2
E/ti2=V/i
These are all basically the same few formulas, but I wrote down all iterations of them.
Anything from Joule's Law/Joule Heating

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that the solution is because when current is high, there is a greater amount of heat loss. When voltage is low, current is high, and vice versa. Therefore we transmit at high voltage and low current. But upon looking at the formulas and trying to understand how they fit in with this explanation, I simply cannot wrap my head around it. I feel like there is a fundamental part of Joule's Law that I am misunderstanding.

Here's what I did:
Joule's Law states P∝i2 when we hold Resistance constant
∴P=Ri2
∴E/t=Ri2
∴E(heat loss)=Ri2t where we can replace "R" with Ohm's Law (R=V/i)
∴E=Vi2t/i we can cancel the i
∴E=Vit however in this situation, increasing voltage will also increase the heat loss as they are all being multiplied together. Why would we transmit at high voltage then?

Alternatively we could say that E=Ri2t and hold i2 and t constant
∴E∝R
∴E∝V/i and in this case, increasing current would actually decrease heat loss while increasing voltage would increase heat loss.

What I don't understand is why we transmit at high voltage given these formulas. I also don't understand where we got the fact that a high voltage means low current and vice versa. Somehow the logic would fit if E∝i/V but that's not true. I feel like I have missed something obvious, but if someone could explain, I'd be very grateful.
 
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Say you are delivering power to a city. Let Req be the equivalent resistance of the entire city. Would you expect its value to be higher than that of your transmission lines or lower?
 
kuruman said:
Say you are delivering power to a city. Let Req be the equivalent resistance of the entire city. Would you expect its value to be higher than that of your transmission lines or lower?
I'm not quite sure I understand...but wouldn't the entire city have a larger resistance than the transmission lines?

Edit: Okay, I've been thinking a bit more. Does this make sense?

P=E/t
∴E=Pt
∴E=Ri2t
Energy can also be written as heat energy so
∴mcΔθ=Ri2t
Hold mass, SHC, resistance, and time constant, so we can say
∴Δθ∝i2
Now given P=Ri2 and P=Vi we can say that if we increase voltage, we can have a lower current to produce the same amount of power. Also with lower current, we have less heat loses, which means less energy lost as well. That's why it's more efficient to use high voltage.

Is that correct?
 
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Cecilia B said:
Now given P=Ri2 and P=Vi we can say that if we increase voltage, we can have a lower current to produce the same amount of power. Also with lower current, we have less heat loses, which means less energy lost as well. That's why it's more efficient to use high voltage.
That is the argument.
 
kuruman said:
That is the argument.
Thanks!
 
Cecilia B said:
But upon looking at the formulas and trying to understand how they fit in with this explanation, I simply cannot wrap my head around it.

The problem most people have is that there are three different places in the circuit where these formula can be applied... the source (generator), the destination (load) and the wire in between. The "V" in the formula is different for all three.
 

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