Heisenberg uncertainty principle derivation and canonically conjugate vairables?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (H.U.P.) and the nature of canonically conjugate variables in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the mathematical foundations and interpretations of the commutation relations that lead to the uncertainty principle.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derivation of the H.U.P. using the Cauchy Schwarz inequality and questions the origin of the commutation relation [A,B] = iħ for canonically conjugate observables.
  • Another participant asserts that the relation is a definition of canonical conjugate variables, linking it to classical mechanics and canonical quantization.
  • A different perspective suggests that momentum can be seen as a generator of space translations, leading to the canonical commutation relations through unitary transformations.
  • Another participant provides an example using the momentum operator defined as p = -iħ∂_x, demonstrating that the commutation relation [x,p] = iħ holds for differentiable functions.
  • One participant introduces the concept of de Broglie waves, suggesting that interpreting the derivative as a momentum operator is reasonable, although not a formal derivation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the derivation and definition of the commutation relations. While some provide mathematical insights and interpretations, there is no consensus on a singular derivation or explanation for the relation [A,B] = iħ.

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The discussion highlights various interpretations and approaches to understanding the relationship between canonical conjugate variables and the uncertainty principle, with references to classical mechanics and quantum mechanics. Limitations include the lack of a universally accepted derivation and the dependence on specific definitions and interpretations.

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Hi,
I've just worked through a derivation of the H.U.P. that uses the Cauchy Schwarz inequality to come up with the expression [tex](\Delta A)^2(\Delta B)^2 \geq \frac{1}{4}|<[A,B]>|^2[/tex]. This much I am happy with, but then it seems that when dealing with two "canonically conjugate observables" you set [tex][A,B] = i\hbar[/tex] to find the uncertainty principle [tex](\Delta A)(\Delta B) \geq \frac{\hbar}{2}[/tex].

It clearly gives the result I was expecting, but I cannot seem to find out where this [tex][A,B] = AB - BA = i\hbar[/tex] comes from.
Is this something that can be figured out? Or, is it just something that some quantum mechanic somewhere has found out by working out the commutators of loads of operators and discovered that the commutators of conjugate observables just happen to be equal to [tex]i\hbar[/tex]?
 
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There is no derivation; by definition a pair of canonical conjugate variables satisfies this relation.

There is some motivation behind it though, which has to do with canonical coordinates in classical mechanics, and the rules of canonical quantization. A canonical pair of coordinates in classical mechanics satisfy the fundamental Poisson brackets,

[tex]\{x,p\} = 1[/tex]

Canonical quantization dictates that this is replaced by the commuator (along with the introduction of a Hilbert space and turning observables into operators).
 
One way to see where it comes from is by considering momentum as a generator of space translations. If [tex]V(a)[/tex] is the unitary group of space translations:

[tex]V(a)\hat{x}V(a)^\dagger =\hat{x}+a[/tex]

and if you write

[tex]V(a)=\exp(i\hat{p}a/\hbar)[/tex]

then, by differentiating at a=0 , you get the canonical commutation relations.

Of course there is the question whym momentum is related to space translations? A partial answer is given by the fact that momentum is conserved when Hamiltonian is invariant under space translations (Noether's theorem).
 
To see why we use this in quantum mechanics imagine a differentiable function
[tex]\phi(x)[/tex] and define
[tex]p = -i\hbar\partial_x[/tex]
Then
[tex](xp-px)\phi(x) = i\hbar\phi(x)[/tex]
and so
[tex][x,p] = i\hbar I[/tex]
 
Another way to see this is to look at de Broglie waves.

A plane wave carrying momentum p looks like exp(ipx). The derivative acting on this "wave function" produces the eigenvalue p.

Of course this is no derivation, it simply shows that interpreting the derivative as momentum operator seems to be reasonable.
 

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