Which particle decays more frequently in Pi+ decays: muon or electron?

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The discussion revolves around the decay processes of the Pi+ particle, specifically comparing the frequencies of muon and electron production in these decays. Participants explore the underlying physics, particularly focusing on weak interactions and the properties of particles involved in the decay.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants attempt to clarify the relationship between helicity and chirality, questioning how these concepts apply to massive particles like electrons and positrons. There is also exploration of the implications of particle mass on helicity and the weak interaction's coupling to different chirality states.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about fundamental concepts and engaging in clarifications regarding particle properties. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differences between helicity and chirality, though multiple interpretations and confusions remain evident.

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Participants note the complexity of the weak interaction and its implications for particle decay, as well as the challenge of reconciling theoretical concepts with practical observations in particle physics.

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Homework Statement



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Draw feynman diagrams for pi+ muon lepton decay and suggest which process is more likely.

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The feynman diagrams are:

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The lepton decays proceed via the weak interaction W+ boson. This implies that e+ should be right-handed and neutrino is always left-handed. In the rest frame of W+, we get:

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But this implies that total spin = 1, which is not true. Therefore, e+ must be left-handed?
 
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Is the electron massless?
 
Orodruin said:
Is the electron massless?
No, the electron is not massless.
 
unscientific said:
No, the electron is not massless.

So, does the left-handed electron have definite helicity? (Or the right-handed positron?)
 
Orodruin said:
So, does the left-handed electron have definite helicity? (Or the right-handed positron?)

Electron? I thought we are dealing with positrons here.I'm not sure if having mass implies that we can choose helicity as we want it. In this case, the only way this would work is if the positron having left-handed helicity (But the weak force couples more strongly to left-handed particles and right-handed anti-particles. Positron in this case is an anti-particle.)
 
Your problem relates to missing fundamental understanding on the difference between chirality and helicity. I could ask you about any particle for this.

So what is the difference between chirality and helicity?
 
Orodruin said:
Your problem relates to missing fundamental understanding on the difference between chirality and helicity. I could ask you about any particle for this.

So what is the difference between chirality and helicity?

Helicity is the projection of the spin on the momentum. According to the restframe of the W+, the electron neutrino is left-handed and the positron is right handed. But as pointed above, total J = 0, so this must be untrue.

For a particle with mass, we can always go into a frame whereby the particle is moving left/right while the helicity remains unchanged. This implies helicity is not conserved in weak interactions as Z0 and W+ bosons have mass. For massless particles, there is no rest frame.
 
unscientific said:
Helicity is the projection of the spin on the momentum. According to the restframe of the W+, the electron neutrino is left-handed and the positron is right handed. But as pointed above, total J = 0, so this must be untrue.

And herein lies your confusion of helicity and chirality. Right-hand chirality (which is what the W interacts with) is not equivalent to right-helicity for massive particles. The question is how they are related.
 
Orodruin said:
And herein lies your confusion of helicity and chirality. Right-hand chirality (which is what the W interacts with) is not equivalent to right-helicity for massive particles. The question is how they are related.

Chirality is helicity in the limit where mass tends to zero. Chirality is an intrinsic property of the particle that is invariant. For massless particles, chirality and helicity are the same.

For a massive particle, we could always go into a frame where the particle is either moving left or right, so a massive particle can undertake any form of helicity. However, its chirality is invariant. Chirality isn't even mentioned in my lecturer's notes which is why it is so confusing..
 
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unscientific said:
so a massive particle can undertake any form of helicity. However, its chirality is invariant.

Can someone please post a mathematical definition of the non-helicity chirality spin property of a massive particle, e.g., a neutrino?
 
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Helicity is the projection of the spin along the linear momentum of a subatomic particle. Chirality is the innate handedness of a particle. The weak interaction couples to negative chirality particle and positive chirality antiparticle states.

The Pi+ has a Jp state of 0- and, hence, its decay products also have to have a combined J of 0. Their spins have to anti-align. Now the neutrinos is produced in a negative chirality state and as it is massless it also has negative helicity (left handed). As we need the antilepton's and the neutrino's spin to anti-align, it also needs to be left handed (negative helicity). However, the weak force only couples to positive chirality antiparticles. Therefore, the electron has to be boosted in order to turn a positive chirality into a negative helicity. It the lepton was massless, this boost wouldn't be possible and the decay would be forbidden.

The muon is a lot heavier than the electron, so this boosting is a lot harder. Hence, Pi+ -> v_mu mu+ happens more often than Pi+ -> v_e e+.
 

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