Helicity Op: Commuting Dirac Hamiltonian

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The discussion centers around the helicity operator and its commutation with the Dirac Hamiltonian. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the helicity operator, its representation in terms of gamma matrices, and the implications of these relationships within the context of quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the dimensionality of the helicity operator S, suggesting it is a 4x4 matrix rather than a 2x2 matrix as initially stated.
  • Another participant provides a calculation of the commutator [H,h] and suggests that it may vanish, indicating a potential relationship between the helicity operator and the Dirac Hamiltonian.
  • A participant proposes that S can be expressed in terms of gamma matrices, specifically mentioning a form involving gamma_0 and gamma_5.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding an expression for S in terms of gamma matrices, indicating a gap in understanding or available resources.
  • Another participant confirms the expression for S in terms of gamma matrices and provides specific matrix forms for gamma_0, gamma_k, and gamma_5, suggesting that matrix algebra could confirm the relationship.
  • A later reply asserts that the correct formula for S has been established, though the details of this confirmation are not elaborated.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the representation of the helicity operator and its commutation with the Dirac Hamiltonian. While some calculations suggest that the commutator may vanish, there is no consensus on the implications of this result or the correct formulation of S in terms of gamma matrices.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the calculations and the specific definitions of the matrices involved. The discussion also reflects differing perspectives on the representation of the helicity operator.

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Hi there,

The question about the helicity operator ## h= S . \bf{p} ## ( where S is 2 by 2 matrix, with ##\sigma^i ## on the diagonal ), that as mentioned in a reference as [arXiv:1006.1718], it commutes with the Dirac Hamiltonian ## H = \gamma^0 ( \gamma^i p^i + m ) ## equ. (3.3), due to Gamma matrices anticommutation relation, but this isn't clear for me ..

Bests,
 
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S is obviously not a 2x2 matrix if it has the sigma^i on the diagonal... it's a 4x4 (but you write it in block form)...

Let's see in the most "primitive" way whether the statement is correct:
S \cdot p = S_1 p_1 + S_2 p_2 + S_3 p_3

S \cdot p =\begin{pmatrix} p_3 & p_1 -ip_2& 0 & 0 \\ p_1+ip_2 & -p_3 & 0 & 0 \\ 0& 0 & p_3 & p_1-ip_2 \\ 0&0&p_1+ip_2& -p_3 \end{pmatrix}

On the other hand:

H=\begin{pmatrix} m & 0 & p_3 & p_1-ip_2 \\ 0& m & p_1+ip_2 & -p_3 \\ p_3 &p_1-ip_2&-m &0 \\ p_1+ip_2&-p_3&0& -m\end{pmatrix}

Then it's easy to take:
[H,h]=Hh -hH=? I did it roughly and I guess I was able to make it vanish.

I have to think a little for the "gamma matrix" reasoning...
 
I also checked out: Hh-hH and found it vanish ..

So thanks and in all casses may be Gamma matrices anticommution do something here..
 
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I'm pretty sure you can write ## S ## in terms of gamma matrices. Depending on your basis (dirac or weyl) I think its something like ##S^i = \gamma^0 \gamma_5 \gamma^i##, and then use commutation relations from there.
 
yup I was looking for how to write S in term of the gamma matrices :sorry: but I was unsuccessful in finding an expression.
 
##
S^i =\begin{pmatrix} \sigma^i & 0 \\ 0 & \sigma^i \end{pmatrix}
##

Then you can in the dirac basis use:

$$\gamma^0 = \begin{pmatrix} I_2 & 0 \\ 0 & -I_2 \end{pmatrix},\quad \gamma^k = \begin{pmatrix} 0 & \sigma^k \\ -\sigma^k & 0 \end{pmatrix},\quad \gamma^5 = \begin{pmatrix} 0 & I_2 \\ I_2 & 0 \end{pmatrix}.$$ (from wikipedia)

And you just can use

$$ S^i =\begin{pmatrix} \sigma^i & 0 \\ 0 & \sigma^i \end{pmatrix} = \gamma^0 \gamma_5 \gamma^i $$

you can just do the matrix algebra by hand, i think it works. If you use weyl basis the gamma0 and gamma5 are switched.
 
So now we have the right formula ..
 

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