HELP A question on electricity (electric field and electric potential)

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving three point charges positioned at the corners of an equilateral triangle, focusing on calculating the electric field and electric potential at a specific point, as well as determining the electric potential energy and minimum escape velocity for a charged particle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the electric field and potential, with some questioning the directionality of the electric field vectors and the correctness of their calculations. There are attempts to clarify the vector nature of the electric field and the significance of charge signs in determining direction.

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Several participants have provided insights into the calculations, particularly regarding the vector components of the electric field. There is ongoing exploration of the correctness of the calculations for parts b, c, and d, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their results and seeking confirmation.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the direction of the electric field due to the presence of both positive and negative charges, and there is mention of the need to consider angles in vector calculations. Some participants express concern over the magnitude of their results, suggesting a need for reassessment.

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HELP!A question on electricity (electric field and electric potential)

Homework Statement


Three point charges are located at the corners of an equilateral triangle as shown.
http://s5.tinypic.com/2hdvalh.jpg
a) Find the magnitude and direction of the electric field at P
b) Find the magnitude and direction of the electric field at P(The potential at infinity is zero)
c) What is the electric potential energy of a particle with charge 4 µC placed at P?
d) If the mass of the particle is 7.0*10^-11kg, what minimum velocity muse it be given so that it can escape to infinity?

The Attempt at a Solution


a)E=KQ/r^2
Etotal=(9*10^9x1*10^-6)/0.3^2+(9*10^9x2*10^-6)/0.3^2+(9*10^9x-2.5*10^-6)/0.52^2=216549.06 point up because the top point has the strongest charge (I am not sure whether I got the direction right or not)
b)V=KQ/r
Vtotal=(9*10^9x1*10^-6)/0.3+(9*10^9x2*10^-6)/0.3+(9*10^9x-2.5*10^-6)/0.52=46678.85
c)V=KQ1Q2/r
Vtotal=(9*10^9x1*10^-6x4*10^-6)/0.3+(9*10^9x2*10^-6x4*10^-6)/0.3+(9*10^9x-2.5*10^-6x4*10^-6)/0.52=0.187
d)V=sqrt(2kQ/mr)
m=mass
Vtotal=sqrt((9*10^9x1*10^-6)/(7*10^-11x0.3))+sqrt((9*10^9x2*10^-6)/(7*10^-11x0.3))-sqrt((9*10^9x2.5*10^-6)/(7*10^-11x0.3))=35500654.39
For part d I don't really know how to solve for velocity after I got the voltage

Even though I got the answer for all of them, but I don't think it is the right way to approach the problem, because the answers are either too big or too small

Please help me with it. Thank you very much.
 
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E-Field is a vector field. Direction matters.

You can't just add the x,y scalars all together.
 


LowlyPion said:
E-Field is a vector field. Direction matters.

You can't just add the x,y scalars all together.

Part a
Etotal=((9*10^9x1*10^-6)/0.3^2)i+((9*10^9x2*10^-6)/0.3^2)i+((9*10^9x-2.5*10^-6)/0.52^2)j=300000i-83210.1j
Sorry, but I am still not sure which direction is the P pointing to, since j>i so i assume that it is pointing upward.

Also, is there any mistake for the other three parts?
Thank you for your help
 


Kudo Shinichi said:
Part a
Etotal=((9*10^9x1*10^-6)/0.3^2)i+((9*10^9x2*10^-6)/0.3^2)i+((9*10^9x-2.5*10^-6)/0.52^2)j=300000i-83210.1j
Sorry, but I am still not sure which direction is the P pointing to, since j>i so i assume that it is pointing upward.

Also, is there any mistake for the other three parts?
Thank you for your help

That's better, but there is a mistake in the net component along the i direction. There is a 1μ C in one direction and a 2μ C charge creating an opposing E-field.

The direction is determined by the tan-1 of the j/i
 


LowlyPion said:
That's better, but there is a mistake in the net component along the i direction. There is a 1μ C in one direction and a 2μ C charge creating an opposing E-field.
Point with 2μC has the positive direction along x-axis, point with 1μC has negative direction along x-axis
therefore, (9*10^9x2*10^-6/0.3^2)-(9*10^9x1*10^-6/0.3^2)=99888.89i

therefore, the answer for part a is 99888.89i-83210.1j since i>j and point with 2μC is greater than point with 1μC, the direction of P should be pointing to the point with 2μC (right)
 


The charge on the right is positive.

The E-field from a positive charge is outward.

The E-field at p will be -i directed. (To the left.)

In the j direction the charge is negative, hence inward, meaning j is upward directed.

The angle is as I have suggested previously.
 


LowlyPion said:
The charge on the right is positive.

The E-field from a positive charge is outward.

The E-field at p will be -i directed. (To the left.)

In the j direction the charge is negative, hence inward, meaning j is upward directed.

The angle is as I have suggested previously.

Oops, I forgot that the electric field is always moving to the direction of the negative charge...

I am wondering did I do the rest parts (part b, c and d)correctly?
From the answer I got from part a I am pretty sure that I did part b and c correctly, but can you help me with part d? thank you
 


Kudo Shinichi said:
Oops, I forgot that the electric field is always moving to the direction of the negative charge...

I am wondering did I do the rest parts (part b, c and d)correctly?
From the answer I got from part a I am pretty sure that I did part b and c correctly, but can you help me with part d? thank you

What angle is a) pointing?
 


LowlyPion said:
What angle is a) pointing?

Since the electric field is moving toward the negative charge, then it moves toward both points with 1 [tex]\mu[/tex]C and -2.5
tan[tex]\theta[/tex]=opp/adj=100000/83210.1
tan-1(100000/83210.1)=50.2
 
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did i get the angle in part a) as well as the answers in other parts right?
Sorry for keep asking you whether I got the answer right for other parts...However, it is the only part I got stuck...and I want to get it done as soon as possible...hope you can forgive my rudeness
 
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Kudo Shinichi said:
Since the electric field is moving toward the negative charge, then it moves toward both points with 1 [tex]\mu[/tex]C and -2.5
tan[tex]\theta[/tex]=opp/adj=100000/83210.1
tan-1(100000/83210.1)=50.2

That would be +50.2° with respect to the -x axis?

d) is the potential energy from c) converted to ½mv²

I'm not checking your math.
 
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LowlyPion said:
That would be +50.2° with respect to the -x axis?

d) is the potential energy from c) converted to ½mv²

I'm not checking your math.

yes the angle is part a is +50.2° with respect to the -x axis
 

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