Help clarifying an answer for magnetics question.

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In summary, the student is trying to solve for the magnetic field in the center of a half-current loop, but is having trouble understanding how to integrate. The teacher explains that the magnetic field is the sum of infinitely small straight wires, and provides a simple equation for the magnetic field.
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Homework Statement



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[tex]B= \frac{ \mu _0}{2 \pi r}I[/tex]

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I got it wrong the two first times (I got [tex]\frac{ \mu _0I}{2 \pi a}(1- \frac{a}{b})[/tex]), then the assistant teacher showed how it was done, but wasn't able to tell me why. This is the answer I was showed: [tex]B=B_a-B_b= \frac{ \mu _0I}{4}( \frac{1}{a}- \frac{1}{b})= \frac{ \mu _0I}{4a}(1- \frac{a}{b})[/tex] Can anybody clarify what the heck happened between steps 2 and 3, everything else I can understand.
 
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Just factor out 1/a from within the parentheses:
(blah) = 1/a(a*blah)
 
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Doc Al said:
Just factor out 1/a from within the parentheses:
(blah) = 1/a(a*blah)

Uh, if you compare my answer and the correct answer, I'm missing [tex]* \frac { \pi}{2}[/tex]. If you misunderstood my original text [tex]B_a-B_b= \frac {\mu _0I}{4}( \frac{1}{a}- \frac{1}{b})[/tex] is the part where, the black magic happens.
 
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Sorry about that. I wasn't clear on what you meant by "between steps 2 and 3", so I had to guess. (You meant between expressions 2 and 3 in your equation.)

In any case, why are you using this formula?
Kruum said:
[tex]B= \frac{ \mu _0}{2 \pi r}I[/tex]
That's the field from a long straight wire, not half of a current loop.
 
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That's the thing, I don't yet quite get the idea behind line integrals and I tried to derive the expression from Amperé's law. But isn't the magnetic field in the center of half current loop the sum of infinitely small straight wires?
 
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Kruum said:
That's the thing, I don't yet quite get the idea behind line integrals and I tried to derive the expression from Amperé's law. But isn't the magnetic field in the center of half current loop the sum of infinitely small straight wires?
Yes, infinitely small straight wires. You cannot use the result for an infinitely long straight wire. Instead, integrate the magnetic field from a small current element as given by the Biot-Savart law. (The integration is trivial, by the way.) Give it a shot.
 
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Doc Al said:
Yes, infinitely small straight wires. You cannot use the result for an infinitely long straight wire. Instead, integrate the magnetic field from a small current element as given by the Biot-Savart law. (The integration is trivial, by the way.) Give it a shot.

Ah, okay. I've never heard of that law so we haven't gone through it in our course. I'm going to look it up. I'll make sure the lecturer gets a few praises. :biggrin:
 
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Now it makes sense. So [tex]B= \frac{ \mu_0I}{4 \pi r^2} \int dl[/tex], from 0 to [tex] \pi r[/tex]. It gives me [tex]B= \frac{ \mu_0I}{4r}[/tex]. Thanks for the help and expertise our teachers obviously lack, Doc Al! :tongue2:
 
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Now you're cooking. (And you're welcome!)
 

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