Help Deriving Relativistic Momentum Equation 3.9

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The discussion centers around deriving the relativistic momentum equation, specifically equation 3.9 from a referenced paper. Participants are exploring the relationship between this equation and equation 3.6, as well as discussing the implications of the derivation process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in deriving equation 3.9 from equation 3.6 in the referenced paper.
  • Another participant suggests looking for a specific reference that may aid in understanding the derivation process.
  • A participant shares a link to a Google preview of a book that contains relevant sections for the derivation, noting that not all pages are accessible.
  • Some participants appreciate the approach taken in the paper, highlighting the ease of deriving non-relativistic momentum through integration, while noting that the relativistic momentum requires more effort.
  • One participant mentions their ongoing struggle to fully understand the paper, indicating that they have made progress over time and find the momentum integral setup interesting.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and appreciation for the derivation methods discussed, but there is no consensus on how to derive equation 3.9, and multiple viewpoints on the clarity of the paper's approach remain.

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Some participants mention challenges related to accessing the referenced materials and the complexity of the derivation process, indicating that assumptions made in the paper may not be fully clear to all readers.

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Hello.
I was reading through this pdf:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0402024.pdf
on relativistic momentum derivation, and I just can't seem to derive equation 3.9, which is an equation describing the relativistic velocity equation. According to the paper it is supposed to be easy, and apparently follows from equation (3.6). I tried finding the reference but I cannot find it.

Could someone explain how they derive that from 3.6? Thank you.
 
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Albertrichardf said:
Hello.
I was reading through this pdf:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0402024.pdf
on relativistic momentum derivation, and I just can't seem to derive equation 3.9, which is an equation describing the relativistic velocity equation. According to the paper it is supposed to be easy, and apparently follows from equation (3.6). I tried finding the reference but I cannot find it.

Could someone explain how they derive that from 3.6? Thank you.
Wow I really like this approach. Great find. Love how easy you can pull out the non-relativistic momentum just by an easy integral. Same with the relatavistic momentum, though it's a bit more work on the integral.
 
Battlemage! said:
Wow I really like this approach. Great find. Love how easy you can pull out the non-relativistic momentum just by an easy integral. Same with the relatavistic momentum, though it's a bit more work on the integral.
I love this approach too. I found the paper a few years ago, but each time I tried reading it I understood only about half of it, so every few months or so I just try reading it through to see if I can follow it. I'm finally able to follow it, and after reading it I love the way it sets up the momentum integral. It is very interesting too because their approach makes few assumptions about the mechanics, so you can easily transfer the ideas over for other mechanics, as they show by deriving both classical and relativistic momentum.
 

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