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The discussion revolves around mathematical growth models, specifically focusing on the differentiation of the Gauss model and the comparison of various growth models including Monomolecular, Logistic, and Richards models. The context is primarily academic, related to a graduate work project in agronomy.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about differentiating the Gauss model and seeks assistance with the derivative to continue their growth analysis.
  • Another participant provides a derivative of the Gauss function, presenting it in two forms and suggesting that there is no difference between the provided options for the Logistic Equation, noting only variations in constant representation for the exponential and Richards equations.
  • A later reply questions the initial derivative provided, indicating confusion about the inclusion of parameters like gamma and time in the derivative, suggesting that it may not align with expectations based on other models.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correctness of the derivative or the representation of parameters in the models, indicating ongoing uncertainty and differing interpretations.

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There are limitations regarding the clarity of the models and the assumptions underlying the derivatives, as well as potential discrepancies in the representation of constants across different growth models.

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Hi! I am amateur in mathemathicals growth models but I am doing my graduated work in adjust five differents models in some growth parameters in onion,

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So my doubt is basically in a derivate for gauss model, i can't derivate this model and it had been adjust for some parameters. So i need to know a derivate for continue my growth analysis.

Also, I just don't know if a sentence of that model is right or wrong, same for others models and their derivates. I read some books about nonlinear models and found diferents expressions in Monomolecular, logistic and Richards models, so i put as options (1 and 2). I also have doubt which are right.

Im grateful with your helps. I'm not physics student, I'm agronomist so you could know better,

Thanks,
 
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If you just go ahead and differentiate the Gauss function, Y= \alpha e^{-k(t-\gamma)^2} you get <br /> \frac{dY}{dt}= -2k\alpha (t- \gamma)e^{-k(t-\gamma)^}<br /> which is the same as<br /> \frac{dY}{dt}a= -2k(t- \gamma)Y<br /> <br /> I see no difference at all between your &quot;options&quot; for the Logistic Equation and only differences in the way the constants are written for the exponential and Richards equations.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
If you just go ahead and differentiate the Gauss function, Y= \alpha e^{-k(t-\gamma)^2} you get
\frac{dY}{dt}= -2k\alpha (t- \gamma)e^{-k(t-\gamma)^}
which is the same as
\frac{dY}{dt}a= -2k(t- \gamma)Y

I see no difference at all between your "options" for the Logistic Equation and only differences in the way the constants are written for the exponential and Richards equations.
 
Thanks Mr. Hall,

But i don't know if I am wrong but when you showed a derivate, it should be dY/dt so i don't understand but parameters as gama and t shouldn't be in the derivate as you can see as others models.

I hope you could understand,
 

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