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This discussion focuses on understanding linear algebra transformations involving quadratic curves and coordinate systems. The user outlines a series of transformations from coordinates \(\tilde{x}\) to \(x\), \(x\) to \(y\), \(y\) to \(z\), and finally from \(z\) to \(\tilde{z}\). The user proposes that the composite transformation can be expressed as \(\tilde{Q} = ((\tilde{A} P) + M)\tilde{B}\), which encapsulates the relationships between the matrices involved in these transformations.

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Hello,

I would like to check if my understanding of this linear algebra problem dealing with transformations is correct:

vovcp4.png


Part (1)

we have the following coordinates systems:

[tex]\tilde{x} = \begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix}[/tex] and [tex]x = \begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

and the following equation : [tex]\tilde{x}^T \tilde{A} \tilde{x} = 0[/tex]

This parts only asks for getting the A matrix (symmetric matrix with coefficients) from a quadratic curve. Taking a look at the final parts of the problem, I guess this part is some sort of coordinates change from [tex]\tilde{x} \rightarrow x[/tex] using a matrix A, is this right? (like some sort of 3D-2D transformation) Part (2)

we have the following coordinates systems:

[tex]x = \begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \end{pmatrix}[/tex] and [tex]y = \begin{pmatrix} y_1 \\ y_2 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

and the following equation : [tex]x = Py[/tex]

My thoughts: The equation in (i) corresponds to a quadratic curve, which has been rotated (it has a cross product term) and translated (it has terms y1^2, y1). In this part we want to transform (i) into (ii). In this transformation we undo the rotation (by rotating) and the matrix used is for it is P, transforming x coords into y coords.


Part (3)

we have the following coordinates systems:

[tex]y = \begin{pmatrix} y_1 \\ y_2 \end{pmatrix}[/tex] and [tex]z = \begin{pmatrix} z_1 \\ z_2 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

My thoughts: The equation in (ii) corresponds to a quadratic curve, which has been translated (it only has terms y1^2, y1). In this part we want to transform (ii) into (iii). In this transformation we undo the translation (by translating), with an equation like this:

[tex]z = y + M[/tex]

transforming coords y into coords z. Part (4.A)

we have the following coordinates systems:

[tex]z = \begin{pmatrix} z_1 \\ z_2 \end{pmatrix}[/tex] and [tex]\tilde{z} = \begin{pmatrix} z_1 \\ z_2 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

and the following equation : [tex]\tilde{z}^T \tilde{B} \tilde{z} = 0[/tex]

This parts looks like part 1, getting the matrix from a quadratic curve. Taking a look at the rest of the parts of the problem, I guess this part is a coordinates change from [tex]z \rightarrow \tilde{z}[/tex] using a matrix B, is this right? Part (4.B)

we have the following coordinates systems:

[tex]\tilde{z} = \begin{pmatrix} z_1 \\ z_2 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix}[/tex] and [tex]\tilde{x} = \begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

and the following equation : [tex]\tilde{x} = \tilde{Q} \tilde{z}[/tex]

This part is the composite transformation from (i), using coords [tex]\tilde{x}[/tex] to (iii) using coords [tex]\tilde{z}[/tex]. So composing all transformations from the previous parts into one, my guess is that :

[tex]\tilde{Q} = ((\tilde{A} P) + M)\tilde{B}[/tex]

would this be ok?

Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post...
 
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degs2k4 said:
Hello,

I would like to check if my understanding of this linear algebra problem dealing with transformations is correct:

vovcp4.png


Part (1)

we have the following coordinates systems:

[tex]\tilde{x} = \begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix}[/tex] and [tex]x = \begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

and the following equation : [tex]\tilde{x}^T \tilde{A} \tilde{x} = 0[/tex]

This parts only asks for getting the A matrix (symmetric matrix with coefficients) from a quadratic curve. Taking a look at the final parts of the problem, I guess this part is some sort of coordinates change from [tex]\tilde{x} \rightarrow x[/tex] using a matrix A, is this right? (like some sort of 3D-2D transformation)
You want
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}x_1 & x_2 & 1\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}a & b & c \\ d & e & f \\ g & h & i\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x_1 \\ x_2 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}= x_1^2+ x_2^2- 6x_1x_2+ 2x_1+ 4x_2+ \frac{15}{9}[/tex]
That gives you a number of equations for a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, and i.


Part (2)

we have the following coordinates systems:

[tex]x = \begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \end{pmatrix}[/tex] and [tex]y = \begin{pmatrix} y_1 \\ y_2 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

and the following equation : [tex]x = Py[/tex]

My thoughts: The equation in (i) corresponds to a quadratic curve, which has been rotated (it has a cross product term) and translated (it has terms y1^2, y1). In this part we want to transform (i) into (ii). In this transformation we undo the rotation (by rotating) and the matrix used is for it is P, transforming x coords into y coords.


Part (3)

we have the following coordinates systems:

[tex]y = \begin{pmatrix} y_1 \\ y_2 \end{pmatrix}[/tex] and [tex]z = \begin{pmatrix} z_1 \\ z_2 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

My thoughts: The equation in (ii) corresponds to a quadratic curve, which has been translated (it only has terms y1^2, y1). In this part we want to transform (ii) into (iii). In this transformation we undo the translation (by translating), with an equation like this:

[tex]z = y + M[/tex]

transforming coords y into coords z.


Part (4.A)

we have the following coordinates systems:

[tex]z = \begin{pmatrix} z_1 \\ z_2 \end{pmatrix}[/tex] and [tex]\tilde{z} = \begin{pmatrix} z_1 \\ z_2 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

and the following equation : [tex]\tilde{z}^T \tilde{B} \tilde{z} = 0[/tex]

This parts looks like part 1, getting the matrix from a quadratic curve. Taking a look at the rest of the parts of the problem, I guess this part is a coordinates change from [tex]z \rightarrow \tilde{z}[/tex] using a matrix B, is this right?


Part (4.B)

we have the following coordinates systems:

[tex]\tilde{z} = \begin{pmatrix} z_1 \\ z_2 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix}[/tex] and [tex]\tilde{x} = \begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

and the following equation : [tex]\tilde{x} = \tilde{Q} \tilde{z}[/tex]

This part is the composite transformation from (i), using coords [tex]\tilde{x}[/tex] to (iii) using coords [tex]\tilde{z}[/tex]. So composing all transformations from the previous parts into one, my guess is that :

[tex]\tilde{Q} = ((\tilde{A} P) + M)\tilde{B}[/tex]

would this be ok?

Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post...
 
HallsofIvy said:
You want
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}x_1 & x_2 & 1\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}a & b & c \\ d & e & f \\ g & h & i\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x_1 \\ x_2 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}= x_1^2+ x_2^2- 6x_1x_2+ 2x_1+ 4x_2+ \frac{15}{9}[/tex]
That gives you a number of equations for a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, and i.

Thanks for your reply!

Yes... I already got the values for a-i. What are you trying to say ?
 

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