Help Needed: I'm Stuck on Steps and Not Sure If They're Correct

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The discussion revolves around a participant seeking assistance with a series of steps in a mathematical problem involving vector cross products. The scope includes technical reasoning and mathematical exploration related to vector identities and their applications.

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their steps and seeks help to continue.
  • Another participant suggests an alternate method to avoid tedious calculations involving cross products, referencing the equality $p\times q = 3p\times r$ and the BAC-CAB identity.
  • A follow-up post elaborates on the application of the BAC-CAB identity and presents a derived equation, questioning whether the manipulation is correct and whether the resulting expression represents a scalar.
  • A later reply confirms the correctness of the derived equation presented in the follow-up post.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the initial steps, as the original poster remains uncertain. However, there is agreement on the correctness of the derived equation in the follow-up post.

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The discussion includes unresolved assumptions regarding the initial steps and the definitions of the variables involved, as well as the implications of the derived expressions.

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I have done up some of the steps. I got stuck and not sure how to continue. I am not sure if those steps are correct. Need help on that.

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Hi, Alexis87.

Alexis87 said:
I have done up some of the steps. I got stuck and not sure how to continue. I am not sure if those steps are correct. Need help on that.

I did not check the details of the work you posted, so I am not suggesting that anything you did there is incorrect. The intent of this post is to suggest an alternate method that avoids the need for computing tedious cross products using vector components.

Using the equality $p\times q = 3p\times r,$ take the cross product on both left hand sides with $p$; i.e.,

$p\times q = 3p\times r\qquad\Longrightarrow\qquad p\times(p\times q)=3p\times(p\times r)$

and now use the "BAC-CAB" BAC-CAB Identity -- from Wolfram MathWorld rule and some algebra to get your desired result (noting that the various dot products you obtain from the BAC-CAB rule are constants).
 
GJA said:
Hi, Alexis87.
I did not check the details of the work you posted, so I am not suggesting that anything you did there is incorrect. The intent of this post is to suggest an alternate method that avoids the need for computing tedious cross products using vector components.

Using the equality $p\times q = 3p\times r,$ take the cross product on both left hand sides with $p$; i.e.,

$p\times q = 3p\times r\qquad\Longrightarrow\qquad p\times(p\times q)=3p\times(p\times r)$

and now use the "BAC-CAB" BAC-CAB Identity -- from Wolfram MathWorld rule and some algebra to get your desired result (noting that the various dot products you obtain from the BAC-CAB rule are constants).
Continuing from your advice:

p x (p x q) = 3p x (p x r)

p(p.q) - q(p.p) = p(3p.r) - r(3p.p)

p(p.q) - p(3p.r) = q(p.p) - 3r(p.p)

p[(p.q)-(3p.r)] = (q - 3r) (p.p)

p [(p.q)-(3p.r)] /(p.p) = q-3r => Is it correct ? then [(p.q)-(3p.r)] /(p.p) will be the scalar or lamda?
 
That's correct.
 

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