Help Needed: Producing Durable Coal Briquettes Under Rain

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of producing durable coal briquettes that can withstand rain exposure. Participants explore various approaches to enhance the waterproofing of briquettes while considering cost, customer requirements, and potential solutions.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the current production process of coal briquettes, highlighting the use of cellulose as a binder, which is soluble in water and leads to durability issues in rain.
  • Another participant questions whether the problem lies in the production process or in the storage practices of customers, suggesting that proper storage could mitigate degradation.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the cost-effectiveness of building a rain shelter for storage, arguing that it could be a one-time investment compared to ongoing costs of additives.
  • One participant proposes the idea of treating briquettes with a water repellant, cautioning about potential toxic fumes and the impact on combustibility.
  • Another participant claims to have successfully created a waterproof or water-resistant briquette and raises questions about customer demand for waterproofing levels and the acceptable moisture content in coal dust.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the solution lies in modifying the briquette formulation or improving storage methods. There is no consensus on the best approach to achieve durable briquettes under rain conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors such as cost considerations, customer requirements for moisture resistance, and the potential impact of additives on the briquettes' properties. These factors remain unresolved in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

Professionals in the coal briquette industry, quality engineers, and those involved in material science or product development related to fuel products may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi all, I hope to get some help from you here.
I'm a quality engineer working for a coal briquettes company in Turkey. What we do is collecting the coaldust from all over Turkey and make them briquettes by pressing under high pressure (70-80 bars).
We add some extra binder materials to the coaldust to get extra mechanical strength (%2 CMC-Cellulose by weight) and some water to make the coaldust compressible.
But our briquettes are not durable under rain. I mean our coal briquettes turn into dust in a few minutes under rain, that's just because of our binder. Cellulose is soluble in water.
But we need to produce highly durable briquettes under rain because we sell these products to industry and the briquettes are being stored at the outside of the factories.
That means we need a non-toxic, cheap and waterproof binder or adhesive to use with the coaldust.
Last week I tried to use Technical Gelatin. We all know Gelatin is made from protein. Maybe we can find a way to make Gelatin waterproof. Or an other way to produce waterproof briquettes. Anyone to help me?
 
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Do you have a process problem, or do your customers have a storage-integrity problem? If your customers stored the product in a dry place sheltered from the rain (simple outdoor bins with a roof to shed rain-water) they would not only avoid degradation of your briquettes, they would also avoid introducing water into the fuel stream. That water is very costly in terms of the heat that is required to vaporize it.
 


We sell nearly 4000 tons of coal briquettes monthly to each factory and they store them outside. This is a very large amount, a factory may not find a place to store this coal hill in a dry place at inside.
 


I would say that the cost of a rain shelter, though more expensive than one batch of briquettes, would eventually be cheaper as the shelter cost is incurred once, whereas any additive is an ongoing cost forever more.
 
Studiot said:
I would say that the cost of a rain shelter, though more expensive than one batch of briquettes, would eventually be cheaper as the shelter cost is incurred once, whereas any additive is an ongoing cost forever more.
And the cost of introducing unwanted water into the fuel stream is an unnecessary, and ongoing expense. In the northeast US, we generally have to use salt and/or salted sand to treat our roads in the winter. Obviously, we don't want rain to dissolve the salt, or to have the salt entering our ground-water, so we build very large salt-sheds. They are not expensive and they save money (and environmental damage) year after year.

This is the salt shed for a fairly large town/city. Most local ones are smaller, but still can hold a lot of material.

http://www.gardinermaine.com/Public_Documents/GardinerME_PublicWorks/saltshedpics
 


You could produce the briquettes as normal, then batch bathe them in a water repellant. Liquid or spray based repellants might release toxic fumes when burned, you're on your own about that.

Protectosil or something.

I'd suspect this way you can keep current process and then add the repellant one, create two lines of product, two price tiers..

it's going to affect combustability in some way.

i repeat the warning to be careful about fumes and or toxic wastes in the ashes or something.



I'd be highly skeptical of any waterPROOF claims I'd see on a charcoal briquette lol, I would suggest advertising it as waterRESISTANT from here on out.
 


Hello waterproof - I've successfully demonstrated the formation of a cheap waterproof (or water resistant - depending on customer demand and cost structure) coal fines briquette, pellet, and ball. The first question is what is the customer demand - 100% waterproof or is minimal moisture take up accepatable (say 15%). If the customer is useing coal as a heat source, I suspect a total of 18% total moisture is acceptable. So, my next question would be - what is the coal dust moisture content? I always work back from the customer requirements. Also, if you are added a large value to the raw materials and increasing the value of the finished product, cost is not the first consideration - market price and availability of superiour products would be! If you want more information please email me at iharris@comcast.net .
 

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