Help needed with 3d geometry problem: important

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The discussion revolves around a 3D geometry problem involving the equations of two planes that pass through the origin, are parallel to a given line, and maintain a specific distance from it. The participants are exploring the relationships between the planes and the line, as well as the conditions for perpendicularity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the equations of the planes and their normals, noting the relationships derived from the conditions of the problem. There are attempts to solve the equations related to the normals and distance, with some questioning the validity of their derived equations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the equations and expressing confusion about their solvability. Some participants suggest that there may be a conceptual misunderstanding affecting the setup of the equations. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in the initial assumptions.

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Participants mention the need to consider the normalization of the normal vectors and the implications of the distance formula in the context of the problem. There is a reference to discrepancies between the derived equations and expected results, indicating possible missing information or misinterpretations.

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help needed with 3d geometry problem: important!

Homework Statement



find the equations of the two planes through the origin which are parallel to the line
(x - 1)/2 = (-y-3) = (-z-1)/2
and at a distance of 5/3 from it. also, show that the planes are perpendicular

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The Attempt at a Solution



my attempt at the solution

plane equations passing through (0,0,0) are ax+by+cz=0 (&) a'x+b'y+c'z=0
now, 2.a - b - 2.c = 0 (since direction ratios of given line is perpendicular to the normal of the plane)
also by distance formula (a.(1) + b.(-3) +c.(-1))/(a^2 + b^2 + c^2)^(1/2) = 5/3
the a - 3.b - c = 5/3 (since a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = 1)
and now i am stuck...

FYI : [the answer is 2x+2y+z=0; x-2y+2z=0]
 
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You have got the equations you need to find the normals. 2*a-b-2*c=0, a-3*b-c=5/3 and a^2+b^2+c^2=1. If you solve those will get normals for the two planes. The books answer doesn't assume a^2+b^2+c^2=1 so be prepared to multiply the normal by a constant to get the books answers.
 


the problem is the equations are unsolvable

2*a - b - 2*c = 0
the we get (a - c) = b/2
substitute this in a - 3*b - c =5/3
we get b = -2/3
now substitute b = -2/3 in a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = 1
we get a^2 + c^2 = -1/3 !
 


this means that my basic equations are wrong.. i am missing a conceptual link here.. please help...!
 


elphin said:
the problem is the equations are unsolvable

2*a - b - 2*c = 0
the we get (a - c) = b/2
substitute this in a - 3*b - c =5/3
we get b = -2/3
now substitute b = -2/3 in a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = 1
we get a^2 + c^2 = -1/3 !

No, you don't get this. You should get a^2 + c^2 = 1 - (2/3)^2 = 5/9.

RGV
 


ooops .. sorry .. you are right ..

let me sum up this situation in an equation...

sleepless night + math => (2/3)^2 = (4/3)

thanks dude...
 

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