Help Problem on INCLINED planes.

[byronsakic]

Hello, here is the question.

Two masses, 4.0 kg and 6.0 kg, are connected by a “massless” rope over a “frictionless” pulley as pictured in the diagram. The ramp is inclined at 30.0º and the coefficient of kinetic friction on the ramp is 0.18.

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(b) Determine the acceleration of the system once it begins to slide.



i only need help on b.. finding the acceleration. if i can get the right acceleration i can get all the other parts.

Now i solved it by doing this. making 2 equations.

4 kg = m1 6kg = m2 motion to the right is positive. uk = 0.18

m1a = T - [Ff + Fg||]
m1a = T - (uk)(m1g)cos30 - sin30m1g
m1a = T - 6.1 - 19.6 equation 1

m2a = m2g - T
m2a = 58.8 - T equation 2

add the two equations together you get. (T cancel out)

a (m1 + m2) = 58.8- 25.7
a = 33.1 / 10
a = 3.3 m/s ^2

i have been lookin over my calculation over and over and the acceleration is different from the answers.

here is the SOLUTION:
(b)

For the 4.0-kg mass:
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4.0 kg(a) = T – uKmg(cosX) – mg(sin X)

4.0 kg(a) = T – 13.5 N



For the 6.0-kg mass:

http://www.clickandlearn.org/Physics/SPH4U/tests/ch2_test_files/a0430001.jpg

6.0 kg(a) = 58.8 N – T



Solving the system of equations:

a = 4.5 m/s2




according to the solution... for equation 1.. it is + 6.1 - 19.6 = -13.5

but it doesn't make sense because it should be -6.1 - 19.6 = -25.7

is there a trick I am missing or do you think the solution is wrong? this question is vital for a test on monday.



thank you

byron

 

[Curious3141]

You are correct, friction always opposes motion. The signs used in the accepted solution are wrong.

 

[kyle8921]

Hello Byron,

Thank you for reaching out for help with this problem. It seems like you have put a lot of effort into solving it, so I will try to provide some guidance and explanations to help you understand the solution better.

Firstly, your approach of setting up two equations for the two masses is correct. However, I noticed some errors in your calculations that led to the wrong answer. Let's take a closer look at your equations:

m1a = T - [Ff + Fg||]
m1a = T - (uk)(m1g)cos30 - sin30m1g
m1a = T - 6.1 - 19.6

The first equation is correct, as it takes into account the forces acting on the 4.0 kg mass. However, in the second equation, you made a mistake in the calculation of the friction force (Ff). The correct expression for the friction force is uk(m1g)cos30, which should give you a value of 3.1 N, not 6.1 N. This error carried over to the third equation, where you subtracted 6.1 instead of 3.1.

Moving on to the second mass, your equation is correct but you made a small error in your calculation of the weight of the mass. The correct value is 58.8 N, not 59.8 N. This does not affect the final answer, but it's important to be accurate in your calculations.

Now, let's take a look at the solution provided:

4.0 kg(a) = T – 13.5 N
6.0 kg(a) = 58.8 N – T

The solution is correct, and the only difference is that they have used the correct value for the friction force (3.1 N) in the first equation. This leads to a value of T = 10.4 N. Substituting this value in the second equation, we get a = 4.5 m/s^2, which is the correct answer.

In conclusion, the mistake in your calculation of the friction force led to the wrong answer. I hope this explanation helps you understand the solution better. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Good luck on your test!