Help required to understand dynamic pressures

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The discussion revolves around understanding dynamic and static pressures in the context of a nozzle flow setup exhausting into the atmosphere. Participants explore the definitions and relationships between these pressures without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on whether the dynamic pressure at the exit is equivalent to 1/2ρv² and if the gauge static pressure is zero.
  • Another participant agrees that the gauge pressure is zero but challenges the notion of "gauge dynamic pressure," asserting that dynamic pressure is always defined as 1/2ρv² without reference to atmospheric pressure.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous correction and suggests that the total pressure at exit equals the dynamic pressure since static pressure is zero, seeking confirmation on this point.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions of gauge pressure and dynamic pressure, but there is some disagreement regarding the terminology and the relationship of dynamic pressure to atmospheric pressure. The discussion remains unresolved on certain aspects of these definitions.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the flow conditions and the definitions of pressures, which may depend on specific contexts or applications.

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Hi all,

I am trying to understand the concept of dynamic and static pressures and would appreciate your help.

I've got a nozzle flow setup, such that the flow is exhausting into atmosphere. Am I right in assuming that the dynamic pressure at exit (relative to atmosphere) is equivalent to 1/2*rho*v2 and the gauge static pressure = 0?

Thanks for your time in advance!
 
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Welcome to PF!

Hi aero_g! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a rho: ρ :wink:)
aero_g said:
I've got a nozzle flow setup, such that the flow is exhausting into atmosphere. Am I right in assuming that the dynamic pressure at exit (relative to atmosphere) is equivalent to 1/2*rho*v2 and the gauge static pressure = 0?

Yes, the gauge pressure = 0.

But I think saying "dynamic pressure at exit (relative to atmosphere)" is wrong …

I don't think there's any such thing as "gauge" dynamic pressure, so dynamic pressure is always defined as 1/2 ρv2, and Patm is irrelevant.

(from the PF Library on pressure …)
Static pressure, P, in a fluid (a liquid or gas or plasma), is measured across a surface which moves with the flow. It is the same in all directions at any point (unless viscosity is significant at that point). It is usually simply called "pressure".

Total pressure in a fluid is measured across a stationary surface.

Dynamic pressure in a fluid is total pressure minus static pressure. It is the macroscopic kinetic energy density, 1/2 ρv2



Absolute pressure is another name for pressure, sometimes used to distinguish it from gauge pressure.

Gauge pressure is pressure minus atmospheric pressure. For example, the devices usually used for measuring tyre pressure measure gauge pressure.
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi aero_g! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a rho: ρ :wink:)


Yes, the gauge pressure = 0.

But I think saying "dynamic pressure at exit (relative to atmosphere)" is wrong …

I don't think there's any such thing as "gauge" dynamic pressure, so dynamic pressure is always defined as 1/2 ρv2, and Patm is irrelevant.

(from the PF Library on pressure …)


Hi there!

Thanks for your reply. You are right, "dynamic pressure at exit (relative to atmosphere)" is wrong …

Following that, the total pressure at exit is then = dynamic pressure (since static pressure = 0). Am I right in saying that?
 
aero_g said:
Following that, the total pressure at exit is then = dynamic pressure (since static pressure = 0). Am I right in saying that?

Yup! :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Yup! :smile:

Thank you very much!
 

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