Help Solve Process Engineering Problem in Aluminum Foundry

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a process engineering problem related to the Low Pressure Casting process in an aluminum foundry. Participants explore the calculation of how far liquid aluminum can be forced up a tube by a given pressure, considering the effects of gauge pressure and atmospheric conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Charlie, the original poster, seeks assistance in calculating the height to which liquid aluminum is forced up a tube by a gauge pressure of 0.1 psi, expressing difficulty in finding the appropriate formula.
  • One participant questions the feasibility of using 0.1 psi to force the metal up the tube, given that the tube is open to atmospheric pressure.
  • Another participant clarifies that the relevant pressure is a differential pressure, stating that the gauge pressure is 0.1 psi, which is the deviation from atmospheric pressure.
  • A later reply provides a formula (P = ρgh) to calculate the height of the liquid aluminum based on the given pressure and density, suggesting that the height is approximately 1.2 inches.
  • Charlie expresses relief at the simplicity of the calculation and inquires about the significance of the contact area between the metal and air in the system.
  • Charlie also mentions the role of a PLC in calculating the desired pre-pressure based on various factors, indicating a potential correlation issue with vessel capacity and casting fill dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus regarding the initial feasibility of using the gauge pressure to force the metal up the tube, and there are differing interpretations of the pressure dynamics involved in the process.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the impact of the contact area between the liquid aluminum and air, as well as the implications of changes in vessel capacity on the casting process.

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Hello,
I'm a Process Engineer in an Aluminum Foundry and haven't been able to find the formula to solve the following problem and I'm hoping someone here can help. I've been digging through old textbooks, thinking this should be simple, but w/ no luck. - Thanks in advance.

I've got a vessel containing liquid Al (.085/in^3) that is pressurized w/ .1 psi of air (holds) and it forces the metal up a central tube to the atmosphere. What I'm trying to caclulate is the distance up the tube the metal travels above the original metal level. In our process, after each casting is poured (this is call a "Low Pressure Casting" process) the pressure in the vessel returns to a level slightly greater than the previous pressure (in this case .1 psi) based on the weight of the casting poured, to maintain the metal level the same distance up the tube.

I've tried to apply F= (A/a)*f and it is not caculating well.

If there is any more information I need to provide, please let me know.
Charlie
 

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I don't understand how a pressure of 0.1 psi can force the metal up the tube if the tube is open to the atmosphere (about 14.7 psi)?
 


It is a differential pressure, or an absolute of 14.8 psi. The pressure gauge reads like most commercial air pressure gauges. The actual pressure doesn't actually matter though, just the deviation from the surrounding atmosphere, because both the gauge and where the metal is going are under the same atmospheric pressure.
 
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OK, the 0.1 psi was gauge pressure, not absolute. (That's what I suspected.) So the height of metal that such a pressure difference can support is given by P = ρgh, or h = P/ρg. (ρg = 0.085 lb/in^3; P = 0.1 lb/in^2) That comes out to about 1.2 in. (Is that anywhere close to what you observe?)
 


Absolutely! I've been wracking my brain for a day & 1/2. That was far too simple. So, the area of the metal/air contact area is negligible? How exactly does that work?

Thanks though; I'll plug that into my excel spread sheet. The PLC in this system calculates the desired "Pre-Pressure" (.1 psi at 95% full) based on the % of metal in the vessel, the casting weight, the capacity of the vessel, and the number of castings poured. This is done to keep the metal in the tube the same distance from the casting each cycle. I believe at some point the vessel capacity value had been changed and I'm trying to correlate that w/ the way the casting is filled, based on the pressure curve used to fill the casting.

Thanks much,
Charlie
 

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