HELP Sums of Random Variables problem: Statistics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the sums of random variables derived from the rolls of different-sided dice. Participants explore the calculation of the sum when specific values are rolled and the expected value of the sum based on the coefficients assigned to each random variable.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that if all four dice yield a 3, the sum of the random variables is Y = 3(3) + 5(3) + 4(3) + 6(3) = 54.
  • Another participant clarifies that the variables X1, X2, X3, and X4 represent the values of the dice rolls, not their probabilities.
  • Participants discuss the formula for expected value, with one participant expressing confusion about how to apply the coefficients in the context of expected values.
  • One participant calculates the expected values for each die roll, arriving at E(X1) = 3.5, E(X2) = 4.5, E(X3) = 5.5, and E(X4) = 6.5.
  • There is a correction regarding the coefficients used in the expected value calculation, emphasizing that they should match those in the original equation Y = 3 X1 + 5 X2 + 4 X3 + 6 X4.
  • One participant proposes that the expected value E(y) should be calculated as E(y) = 3(3.5) + 5(4.5) + 4(5.5) + 6(6.5) = 94.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculation of the sum for part (a) and the expected value formula, but there is some confusion regarding the application of coefficients and the expected values for each random variable. The discussion reflects multiple viewpoints on how to correctly apply these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the notation and application of coefficients in the expected value calculations. There are also unresolved aspects related to the interpretation of the problem statement and the expected values derived from the different dice.

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HELP!Sums of Random Variables problem: Statistics

Homework Statement



3. Assume that Y = 3 X1+5 X2+4 X3+6 X4 and X1, X2, X3 and X4 are random variables that represent the dice rolls of a 6 sided, 8 sided, 10 sided and 12 sided dice, respectively.

a. If all four dice rolls yield a 3, what is the sum of these random variables?

b. What is the expected value of the sum of these random variables?


Homework Equations


=11+22+⋯+
1,2,… represent coefficients
1,2,…, represent variables
If =21+82
1 = First dice roll ; 2 = Second dice roll
Lets say we roll 3, then 5
Y = 2(3) + 8(5) = 46

for part (a)

for part(b)

for expected value
==11+22+⋯+
this part i don't understand.


The Attempt at a Solution



Ok so I attempted part (a). I have no clue if I'm correct though.

So I was given Y = 3(X1) + 5 (X2) + 4(X3) + 6(X4)

Here's where I'm confused. The problems says that all four dice yield a 3.

I made X1 = 1/6, X2 = 1/8, X3 = 1/10, X4 = 1/12

I plugged these values into my equation.

Y = 3(1/6) + 5 (1/8) + 4 (1/10) + 6(1/12) = 2.025

However, in the example that my professor gave me I'm thinking that

X1, X2, X3, and X4 = 3.

Is the answer really Y = 3(3) + 5 (3) + 4(3) + 6(3) = 54
 
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The answer for part (a) is 54, as you suspected. Xi is the value of a die, not the probability of getting a particular roll.

Part of your post is unreadable since a bunch of characters in the relevant equations section show up as empty squares.
 


Seriously. That's weird I can see them. I'll type them in next time.
Ok awesome. So my hunch was correct.

For part (b) I have to find the expected value. The formula they gave me was Uy= E(y) =
a1 * E(X1) + a2 * E(X2) + ... an * E(Xn).

How would I approach this problem?
 


You should know by now how to calculate an expected value of a single random variable. If not, look it up in your textbook. Start there and calculate the expected value for each die.
 


Oh ok. I'll do it, and then show you my results.
 


Ok so E(X1) = (1+2+3+4+5+6)/6 = 3.5
E(X2) = (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8)/8 = 4.5
E(X3) = (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10)/10 = 5.5
E(X4) = (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12)/12 = 6.5

E(y) = (1)3.5 + (1)4.5 + (1)5.5 + (1)6.5 = 20
 


Almost! The coefficients aren't equal to 1, right?
 


No, the previous equation was Y = 3 X1+5 X2+4 X3+6 X4.

But in my example, they used one for the coefficients. So I'm confused on that part.
 


They said when 2 dices are rolled, and the expected value is

E(y) = 1(3.5) + 1(3.5) = 7
 
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Unless it's E(y) = 3(3.5) + 5(4.5) + 4(5.5) + 6(6.5) =

or unless my coefficients are 1 through 4, idk my examples aren't very good
 
  • #11


This is how it works: if you have

Y = a_1 X_1 + a_2 X_2 + \cdots + a_n X_n

its expected value is given by

\begin{align*}<br /> E(Y) &amp; = E(a_1 X_1 + a_2 X_2 + \cdots + a_n X_n) \\<br /> &amp; = a_1 E(X_1) + a_2 E(X_2) + \cdots + a_n E(X_n)<br /> \end{align*}
 
  • #12


Then that means the answer is E(y) = 3(3.5) + 5(4.5) + 4(5.5) + 6(6.5) = 94

Y = 3 X1+5 X2+4 X3+6 X4.
 
  • #13


Right!
 
  • #14


Awesome. Thank you for your help!
 

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