Help understanding the units in Gauss's law

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The discussion revolves around understanding Gauss's law in the context of calculating the charge enclosed by a rectangular box based on given electric flux values through its surfaces. Participants are exploring the relationship between electric flux, charge, and the constants involved, particularly focusing on the units associated with these quantities.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Gauss's law and the calculation of charge from electric flux values. There is confusion regarding the units of the constants involved and how they interact in the equations. Some participants question whether they are using the correct constant for calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on unit conversions and the appropriate constants to use. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the quantities involved, and some participants express confusion about the correctness of their calculations and the underlying principles.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted discrepancies in the constants used for calculations, specifically between Coulomb's constant and the permittivity of free space. There is also an acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings regarding the units of electric flux and charge.

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Homework Statement



Well, here's the homework question:

A charge Q is located inside a rectangular box. The electric flux through each of the six surfaces of the box is: phi1=+1500Nm^2/C, phi2=+2200Nm^2/C, phi3=+4600Nm^2/C, phi4=-1800Nm^2/C, phi5=-3500Nm^2/C, and phi6=-3400Nm^2/C. What is Q?

My guess is that I will have to use Gauss's law (electric flux = enclosed charge over electric constant) to find out the charge for each number and then find the mean of all the charges? But what's really confusing me is that Gauss's law's units don't seem to cancel out properly. Please show me why I'm an idiot.

Homework Equations


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seems like it should be
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...why isn't it?

The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt at a solution would be
+1500 * 8.99E9 = 1.35E13
+2200 * 8.99E9 = 1.98E13
+4600 * 8.99E9 = 4.14E13
-1800 * 8.99E9 =-1.62E13
-3500 * 8.99E9 =-3.14E13
-3400 * 8.99E9 =-3.06E13

The mean of those numbers = -5.83E11 = Q?
 
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Okay so (\sum\phi)\epsilon = Q? Q = -2.16E13?
 
goldenwest said:
Okay so (\sum\phi)\epsilon = Q? Q = -2.16E13?

Are you sure that's the sum of the Φ ?
 
Oops, -3.60E12... but am I doing it correctly now?
 
goldenwest said:
Oops, -3.60E12... but am I doing it correctly now?

So correctly that it looks like you got it right.
 
Okay, thank you very very very very much. I'm still confused about why the units work out that way - could you explain that to me?
 
ε is in units of C²/Nm²

Φ is in units of Nm²/C

Q is in units of C

Edit: Sorry. I posted the units of Coulombs Constant which is the inverse.
 
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Yes, I know. I know this is probably a stupid question... please bear with me.

\stackrel{Q}{\overline{\epsilon}} = \stackrel{C}{\overline{Nm^{2}C^{-2}}} = \stackrel{C^{3}}{\overline{Nm^{2}}}

Why is that wrong?
 
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Sorry. I posted the units of Coulombs Constant which is the reciprocal of the units of ε.

I corrected my error.

Electrical flux has SI units of volt metres (V m), or, equivalently, Newton metres squared per coulomb (N m² C−1).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_flux
 
  • #11
LowlyPion said:
Edit: Sorry. I posted the units of Coulombs Constant which is the inverse.

Oooooooooook, now I understand. Thank you very much for all your help!
 
  • #12
So was I using the wrong constant when solving for the problem... meaning I got the answer wrong? I was using 8.99E9. Should I be using 8.85E-12?
 
  • #13
goldenwest said:
So was I using the wrong constant when solving for the problem... meaning I got the answer wrong? I was using 8.99E9. Should I be using 8.85E-12?

Yes. I missed that too I guess. I should have checked it.

εo is what you want, and not k.
 
  • #14
Thanks again, you have been extremely helpful.
 

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