Help us understand spectral transmittance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the concept of spectral transmittance as it applies to lighting gels used in theater. Participants explore how overall transmittance values are calculated from spectral transmittance curves provided by different vendors, and the implications of these calculations for consistency in data collection.

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Main Points Raised

  • Andrew and his boyfriend are confused about how the overall transmittance values are derived from the spectral transmittance curves, noting discrepancies between the values and the curves.
  • One participant asserts that total transmission cannot exceed the transmission at any single wavelength and suggests there may be an error in the chart with the 90% value.
  • The same participant mentions integrating over the spectral curves with color-matching functions to provide rough RGB values for the light passed through the gels.
  • Andrew indicates they are compiling a database of gel information from multiple vendors and seeks a consistent method for calculating overall transmission across different sources.
  • Another participant agrees with the idea of averaging the values for consistency, highlighting that different vendors may use varying methods to derive their transmittance data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to interpret the overall transmittance values and the methods used by vendors to calculate them. There is no consensus on a definitive method for calculating overall transmittance from the spectral curves.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about how different vendors calculate overall transmittance, as well as the potential variability in measurement conditions (e.g., types of light sources used). The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

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My boyfriend and I are trying to wrap our heads around some charts describing lighting gels used in theater, like these:

http://rosco.com/images/filters/roscolux/3315.jpg
http://rosco.com/images/filters/roscolux/4830.jpg

Each has a chart with a spectral transmittance curve on it, and also has a number for the overall transmittance of the gel, and we can't figure out how that number is calculated. In the first one, for example, the overall transmittance (at the top) is listed as 90%, but there's no single wavelength with a transmittance that high, so it doesn't seem to be the mean transmittance, or any other calculation based on the integral over the curve that we can come up with. Any help you folks could offer would be appreciated.

Oh, and we're not students (he's a theater lighting technician and I'm a web programmer), which is why we didn't post in the Homework section, though if this would be better asked there, feel free to move it; we're new here. Neither of us has a background in physics, but if you would prefer to answer by pointing us in the direction of reasonably laypeople-accessible books or other resources, feel free. We just haven't had much luck with Google or asking other theater people, so asking physicists seemed like a decent next step.

Thanks,
Andrew
 
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Total transmission cannot exceed transmission on anyone wavelength, regardless of how they measure it. And since the 61% on the other chart is very close to what I'm getting by just averaging the numbers from the table, I would assume an error in the first chart.

If I understand correctly, you are looking at these for filters on stage lights. The exact effect will depend on both the lights and the exact pigments used for stage decorations. What exactly did you need to know?

Edit: Don't know if it helps, but I integrated over these with color-matching functions, and converted to RGB. That should give you some rough idea of what the light passed through these should be like.

R G B
151 167 120
187 112 132

Or #97A777 and #BB7084 in HTML respectively. These are VERY rough, but better than description from text on these charts.
 
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Thanks for your response. We're working on a database of information about gels from multiple vendors, each of which provide slightly different stats about the gels that they sell. Overall transmission is something that two of the three vendors we're including provide, but the third doesn't, and we were trying to figure out the process for calculating it from the curve so that we were consistent across all three. If averaging it is the way to go, though, perhaps I'll just do that and not worry about the fact that it's not the same as the official stats.

Andrew
 
Yeah, I'd go with that. If nothing else, it'd give you a consistent criterion across the three. Because even the two vendors that do provide their "total transmittance" aren't guaranteed to derive it the same way. One might use white-noise, the other incandescent light. That would give you different transmittance data.
 

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