Help with 1 quick implicit differentiation problem

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The discussion revolves around implicit differentiation, specifically involving the equation 2sin(x)cos(y)=1. Participants are exploring the differentiation process and the implications of their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the equation but expresses uncertainty about their method. Some participants suggest using the product rule and chain rule, while others discuss the appropriateness of the ranges for graphing the implicit function.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering guidance on differentiation techniques and discussing the implications of their findings. There is a collaborative atmosphere with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the differentiation process and graphing ranges.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding the application of differentiation rules and the choice of ranges for graphing, indicating a need for clarity on these points.

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Homework Statement


what is the implicit differentiation ?

Homework Equations



2sin(x)cos(y)=1


The Attempt at a Solution



d/dx[2sin(x)cos(y)]= d/dx[1]

2cos(x)*-sin(y)*dy/dx=0

I haev a bad feeling i did this wrong...
 
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To differentiate 2sin(x)cos(y), you have to use the product rule. You also need to use the chain rule when you differentiate a function of y (where y is assumed to be implicitly a function of x). l'm pretty sure you realized this, since you ended up with a factor of dy/dx, but you forgot the product rule.

After you have differentiated both sides, solve algebraically for dy/dx and you're done.
 


I also graphed this using a program:

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Are these appropriate ranges to find the implicit differentiation? I'm using this picture so it'll be easier for me to find out what the implicit differentiation of this is.

x and y ranges -6.28 to 6.28 ... are these appropriate figures or can I use a different value that shows it even better ? Thanks in advance.

Edit: Thanks Matt44, give me a sec !
Edit#2:
using the product rule as you suggested (finally makes sense...)
d/dx[2sin(x)cos(y)]=
u= 2sin(x) u'=2cos(x) v= cos(y) v'= -sin(y)*dy/dx
=== 2sin(x)*-sin(y)*dy/dx + cos(y) * 2cos(x)
=== Is the answer dy/dx= -cos(y)*2cos(x)/ -2sin(x)*sin(y) ?

Doesnt look too right ... ><
 
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Cancelling "-2" in numerator and denominator gives dy/dx= cos(x)cos(y)/sin(x)sin(y) and that is exactly right.
 
thanks hallofivy ! do you think -6.28 and 6.28 are good ranges for x and y ? or should it become something smaller ?

Matt44 and HallsOfIvy . u two are always there to answer my problems haha. thanks a lot :) !
 
What do you mean by "good ranges"? For a graph? Yes, those will do. The larger you make range the more "hills and valleys" you will see.
 
sorry for the confusion. yup, that's what i meant . thank you.
 

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