Help with derivatives of natural logs

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the expression (ln(1+e^x))^6, which involves natural logarithms and their properties in calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the given expression, with one attempting to clarify the application of the chain rule. There is also a focus on distinguishing between the placement of the exponent in relation to the logarithm and its argument.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring different interpretations of the expression and its derivative. Clarifications regarding the structure of the logarithmic expression have been provided, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the original poster's uncertainty due to a lack of recent practice with derivatives, which may affect their understanding of the problem. Additionally, the distinction between the two forms of the logarithmic expression is under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement



(ln(1+e^x))^6

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The Attempt at a Solution


Honestly I haven't done this in 3 years and a friend asked me to help them with it. I'm at a bit of loss.
 
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I'll help you with one of the steps.
d/dx[ (ln(1+ex))6] = 6(ln(1 + ex)5* d/dx(ln(1 + ex))

Is that enough of a start?
 
I'll pass it on to her and find out. Thanks.
 
There's a difference between (ln(1+ex))6 and ln(1+ex)6 = ln[(1+ex)6]
The ln has the exponent, not the argument of the ln, so you can't pull the exponent out in front.
 
Bohrok said:
There's a difference between (ln(1+ex))6 and ln(1+ex)6 = ln[(1+ex)6]
The ln has the exponent, not the argument of the ln, so you can't pull the exponent out in front.
I understand that there is a difference.

The problem as posted is
musiciskey said:
(ln(1+e^x))^6
As you can see, it was NOT ln(1 + ex)6, as you seem to think.
Because the log expression is raised to the 6th power, the derivative is 6( ln(1 + ex))5 * d/dx(ln(1 + ex)).
 

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